Electric vehicle discussion

They will save the planet, they are quieter, they will rebuild local industries, and they even come with attractive tax breaks. Re-wind a couple of years, and there were plenty of reasons for buying a shiny new Tesla or Polestar electric vehicle instead of an old-fashioned, high-pollution, petrol or diesel car.

And yet, one by one, all those arguments have been punctured. They won’t help the environment as much as we think, they are mostly made in China, the tax breaks are gone, and now we learn that they are more likely to break down as well.

If you were not already worried enough about where the heck you might be able to recharge your electric car during a long drive over the summer, now there is something else to fret about as well.

You are more likely to break down than the other cars on the road. According to a poll of 30,000 drivers by WhatCar, EV’s suffer from a higher breakdown rate than petrol, diesel or hybrid vehicles, with 16.8 per cent of owners reporting some kind of fault, compared to 15.4 per cent for diesel, the second worst offender.

It gets worse. The faults on EV’s were less likely to be something that could be fixed on the side of the road by an emergency repair service, meaning that motorists were less likely to be able to complete their journey, and might have to pay for an expensive towing service as well.

And of course, if something does go wrong it will probably cost more to fix, with surveys suggesting that EVs cost 30 per cent to 50 per cent more to repair than petrol cars, while replacing the tyres if you get a puncture will be pricey as well, with each one, according to one survey, costing £77 more on average than traditional vehicles.

Perhaps not very surprising, the insurance is more expensive, given that the costs are higher if anything goes wrong, and that has to be recouped somehow or other. The costs start to add up very quickly. An EV is turning into a very expensive choice.

That is not what we were promised. One of the strong selling points for EVs over conventional vehicles was that because they had so few moving parts compared to internal combustion engines, they were far less likely to go wrong.

And overall, they were meant to be far cheaper to run than the vehicles they were replacing. One by one, all the arguments for owning an EV have been falling apart. It turns out that they cost more to run. The tax breaks are gradually being withdrawn; as of this year, they are no longer exempt from road tax, and from Christmas they will have to start paying the congestion charge in London, and probably very soon in other major cities as well.

On top of all that, they are handing the auto industry to China, destroying one of Europe’s major industries, and given the environmental impact of the manufacturing process, and all the minerals that go into them, they might not even be better for the environment either.

In reality, the drive to force us all to switch to EVs was top-down. I was state-planning at its very worst. It set arbitrary targets, lavished subsidies and tax breaks on an industry, only to withdraw them when they became too expensive. Perhaps worst of all, it backed an unproven technology that may well turn out to be an expensive flop. The wheels are coming off the EV dream – and once drivers are convinced that they are not the right choice, it will be very hard to persuade them to start buying EVs again.
 
Feels like a bunch of half truth without context as a hit piece. EVs due to historical reasons generally have far more electronics and software features that can glitch, gets immature new platforms built by inexperience automakers without 3rd party support for high repair costs.

Here is the survey being quoted in the article here, read it for yourself:

When it comes to reliability, a car’s brand is a better indicator of its durability than its fuel type. Mini claims the top spot this year, with a near-faultless score for all five of the diesel, electric and petrol models reported on in our survey. The shining stars were the Countryman, which gained 99.7%, making it the highest-scoring SUV overall, and the Mini Electric, which was the best EV with a rating of 98.4%.

Former winner Lexus was just 0.4% behind Mini. The ES claimed the top spot in the executive class, while the 2014-2021 NX was the best family SUV and the 2016-2022 RX the top luxury car.The NX and Toyota Aygo X were also the only models to achieve a full 100% reliability rating.

Suzuki wasn’t far behind the top two brands, with the 2017-2024 Swift and current Vitara scoring 95.7% and 97.7% respectively. Brands to make it into the top 10 for the first time include Citroën, Dacia and Renault. Credit also goes to Tesla for turning round the reliability of its cars; the Model Y the highest scoring electric SUV in the latest survey.

Meanwhile, Cupra and Volkswagen appear to be starting to recover from the spate of electronic glitches that marred their scores last year, but Audi and Seat haven’t improved their ratings as much.
While Land Rover is still in the bottom half of the chart, it’s heartening to see it out of the bottom three. MG now occupies the bottom place, due to a high fault rate and slow repairs. Its overall score was also not helped by the large proportion of MG 4 owners who faced large repair bills.
And MG4 is a Chinese made budget EV... go figure
 
Feels like a bunch of half truth without context as a hit piece. EVs due to historical reasons generally have far more electronics and software features that can glitch, gets immature new platforms built by inexperience automakers without 3rd party support for high repair costs.

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Really interesting to see Mini at the top, wouldn't have expected that a few years ago when they had all those reliability issues with their earlier models. The Lexus results don't surprise me at all though, they've been rock solid for ages and that ES is a fantastic car. Good to see Tesla finally sorting out their quality control problems, the early Model S and 3 had some proper horror stories floating around. It's a shame about MG sliding to the bottom because their cars look decent value on paper, but if you're facing big repair bills and waiting ages for fixes, that value proposition goes out the window pretty quickly. The Volkswagen group brands struggling with electronics doesn't shock me either, seems like they rushed a lot of their newer tech to market without proper testing. Land Rover moving up from the bottom three is definitely progress, though I'd still be nervous about buying one outside of warranty.
 
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Back in July, Jeep dropped some not-so-subtle hints that it would bring a V8-powered Gladiator 392 to market. That’s exciting for both V8 and midsize pickup enthusiasts, but it left us wondering: what happened to the 4xe plug-in hybrid Stellantis CEO Anthony Filosa promised we’d see this year? Well, it looks like we have our answer now: Automotive News has confirmed that it’s toast.

We’d love to feel surprised by this, but the writing has been on the wall to some degree since Setllantis gave Carlos Tavares and his anti-V8 attitude the old heave-ho. He later acknowledged that he could have done things differently at the helm of the multinational automaker, but what’s done is done, and his cross-brand electrification mandate left the company’s U.S. portfolios sucking wind when it came time to fill showrooms with new models. The results haven’t been amazing.

But since Filosa took over in 2024, every U.S. brand has been busy course-correcting. Prices have come down, ICE powertrain options are returning, and EV plans are being scrapped—the Gladiator 4xe was simply collateral damage.

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175Wh/kg sodium ion (matching LFP batteries)

holy ****, salt shall take over the low end. Raw material costs is nothing and just need development in production methods and a huge chunk of the market is going to flip.

seems like wattage is a problem of practicability instead of tech.
 
For recharging

Watch it be next to a hydrant.

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Another threat
 
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I wonder if China is once again going to leapfrog the competition just when we are starting to see decently priced EV's starting to make inroads in Europe ?

Toyota to launch world's first EV with a solid-state battery by 2027 — they're expected to last longer and charge faster​

 
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They still require REM's and getting at THOSE is heavily polluting.
 
So is extracting/mining for oil, gas, coal and lignite. Then you burn it. More pollution. Choices, choices.
"Drill, baby, drill"
You still have to (At the moment) drill anyway for tyres etc. Unless of course they rubber from oil is considered non polluting.

We could be making best use of resources and using clean ICE fuels to reduce our carbon footprint rather than increasing pollution.


We can do better with joined up thinking.
 
EVs are here to stay.
I am a bit sceptical about that, I have to say.

In other news:

 
I dearly hope the rest of the world will not follow the current US policy on EVs and the environment.
 
Nothing pollutes like "free trade," which is ultimately a type of union-busting.

Where Gavin's gulag forces poor people to pay for catalytic converters worth more than their work cars--ships with shoveled bunker oil ply the waves.

At least self-driving tech is getting a bit better

--or not

Cars

No trams?

Home brew

Bicycles get to run red-lights?
For example, all users must come to a complete stop at stop signs and red lights. If cyclists break these rules, they have the "same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle," in the words of the Supreme Court of Canada.

As it should be. Folks are tired of the war on cars.
 
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I don't believe for a minute that Canada has the guts to go through with this but wow would it be seismic.

Why would the current Government of Canada lack the guts?

For CA/PRC trade, it reopens the door for highly lucrative canola/rapeseed oil exports to China. (Those exports dropped through the floor when Ottawa joined the US-led boycott on Chinese EVs. Currently, Trinidad and Tobago import almost 3 times as much canola oil as the PRC).

Anyway, politically-motivated tariffs have already scuppered a bunch of GoC EV and battery programmes. And its not like US tariffs on Canadian goods are going to stop anytime soon. Besides, the US-Canada Auto Pact was abolished in 2001. NAFTA was supposed to keep things going ... only to be torpedoed by Trumps' first CUSMA deal. So, whither US-controlled automakers in Canada? Short answer: focusing on home base.

The Canadian subsidiaries of GM and whatever Stellantis is called this week each received around CAD 520 Million in government subsidies prior to flaking on EV commitments in Canada and expanding lay-offs. Why should Canadian taxpayers continue subsidising deadbeat companies? And what will be the EV alternatives in the midst of empty US corporate promises?
 
 

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