Falcon succeeds because it was built upon youthful enthusiasm. Starship fails because it was built on ideology.
nope
Falcon 9 was build talent Crew and Boss who wanted a reusable system and they build it.

Starship is not failure, is a Hardware rich test program like 1950's Atlas ICBM or Titan ! ICBM.
They don't care it rocket is lost, so long the mission Data is received and analysed
and yes we see allot Starships fails until successful system goes into Operations
 
The 'test to destruction, fixed failed component, retest' technique was initially developed by Roll-Royce Engines I believe, before adoption by Japanese carmakers. Its the best way to get reliability.
Maybe but a bad weld makes a leak.
It al about quality control.
A bad weld is a bad weld no matter how much you launch it every weld has to be 100%
 

Non-paywalled MSN link to story:
On May 21, the city of Starbase said in a notice to Pompa and some other residents that officials were considering a new zoning ordinance and map. The recipients own property in parts of Starbase that fall under the proposed “Mixed Use District,” which “allows for a blend of residential, office, retail, and small-scale service uses,” according to the notice, signed by City Administrator Kent Myers.

Attached to the letter was a proposed zoning map identifying which parts of the city would fall under each of three classifications: a mixed-use district, an open space district and a heavy industrial area. Pompa’s property — which includes a deck overlooking the Rio Grande, from which he’s watched dozens of SpaceX test flights — falls in the proposed mixed-use district.

Pompa and other South Texas residents have expressed fear at what they see as encroachment by Musk, the world’s richest person and until recently a central figure of President Donald Trump’s administration. But land use experts said the changes outlined in Starbase’s letter are typical of those made by a new town.
 
Not quite the same concept. Testing to destruction doesn’t imply shoddy workmanship, it means pushing the hardware as far as possible to determine its real limits. Properly built hardware can still fail based on both intrinsic and extrinsic properties of the material, for example.
 
Not quite the same concept. Testing to destruction doesn’t imply shoddy workmanship,
Shoddy workmanship is just as much an engineering issue. Getting through that is the path to affordable space, as soon as possible. Normally that isn't possible, but Musk now has FU independent financial empire, and 4 years of government support on top.didn't age well

Components made by 72 virgin craftsmen may get you through despite being suboptimal, but you're getting new article only after the same 72 will repeat their witchcraft.
 
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Not me--I don't think Elon is competent to do any of that anymore that he can make Starship work.

But that's NewSpace in a nutshell

Kill what works--replace with the unworkable

Two weeks from now, either the BATF and/or Pinkertons will seize all Estes model rockets.

NTNS

Never Trust New Space

PS—why you should have at least two test stands:
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J__BgH0_NAo
 
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More clueless nonsense.
Not me--I don't think Elon is competent to do any of that anymore that he can make Starship work.
You have no knowledge or experience to determine Elon's competency. From your posts, I would say he has a better grip on reality than you.
Not me--I don't think Elon is competent to do any of that anymore that he can make Starship work.

But that's NewSpace in a nutshell

Kill what works--replace with the unworkable

Two weeks from now, either the BATF and/or Pinkertons will seize all Estes model rockets.

NTNS

Never Trust New Space

You have no knowledge or experience to determine Elon's competency. From your posts, I would say he has a better grip on reality than you.
But that's NewSpace in a nutshell
Baseless generalization
Kill what works--replace with the unworkable
SLS is unworkable, it is too expensive.
Two weeks from now, either the BATF and/or Pinkertons will seize all Estes model rockets.
Why? Another inane statement,
NTNS

Never Trust New Space
So don't trust Orbital, Spacehab, Astrotech, Planet labs, Blacksky, Capella space, Rocketlab, Blue Origin, Firefly?
And what about SpaecX and its Starlink, Dragon and the most used US launcher Falcon.

Actual SpaceX is the most successful and experienced spaceflight company new or old space.
More experienced at rocket engines and launch vehicles than ABMA and Marshall,.
Other than the space shuttle, Dragon has flown more than any NASA crew Spacecraft.
 
ABMA/MSFC
Redstone - 65
Jupiter - 40
Saturn I/IB - 19
Saturn V -13
Shuttle - 135
SLS - 1

A-6
J-2
F-1
SSME

SpaceX has way more experience.

SpaceX

Falcon 1 - 5
Falcon 9 (V1, V1.1, FT) - 500 soon
Falcon Heavy - 11
Starship (v1, v2) - 9

Cargo Dragon - 20 & 15 (using crew Dragon)
Crew Dragon - 20

Starlink

Kestrel
Merlin (1A, 1C, 1D, MVac)
Raptor (1, 2,3)
Draco
Super Draco
 
Trump should 'seize SpaceX tonight', Steve Bannon says (BBC News)
Steve Bannon, a long-time ally of Donald Trump, has said the US president should "seize SpaceX tonight, before midnight".

SpaceX, founded by Elon Musk, receives billions of dollars in US government contracts, including funding for multiple projects with NASA.

"He's a know-it-all. He knows some engineering, don't get me wrong," Bannon said on his own podcast, War Room, referring to Musk. "But he doesn't know anything about the real world."

Bannon's comments come as Trump and Musk traded threats over cutting government contracts to Musk's businesses.
 
It will be an extremely ugly and atrocious feud, because of the two men ugly personalities plus their supporters. But, somewhat like India and Pakistan eternal feuds, it will cool down eventually.

May have serious consequences for NASA nonetheless, as it is presently stuck right in the middle of the nuclear firefight between Trump, MAGA world, classic GOP and of course - democrats.

Also - stuck between SpaceX programs by large, and Artemis' SLS-Orion - space science may be nuked into oblivion.
 
Re-opening thread

This is a now NEWS ONLY thread, so, please only post NEWS here, without personal comments or opinions !

new posts, not applying to that rule will simply be deleted, without any notice! Frequent violators will be suspended from the thread
 
news
Here FAA report by SpaceX for Launch Complex-37
it feature two Starship/Superheavy Launch pads

in mean time
demolition of Delta Heavy pad has completed
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This picture show current layout of Gigabay
It allow production of 14 Superheavy and 14 Starship simultaneously
likewise goes for GIgabay under construction at Roberts Road at KSC what will have Four Launch Pads
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Source: RGV aerial photography on X
 
Interesting remark from a disgruntled Starbase worker from last month,

View: https://x.com/MorganWKhan/status/1922148207242666266


All of this was violated at some point or another by locals to be clear that have little to no Aerospace background or work history.A lot of "tent era" workers that say this is how it's always been done as they laugh and then slam COPV bottles into the newly retrofitted brackets in payload.... I was assigned work on Issue Ticket operations to fix and identify the extent of damage to the COPV bottles with the only other certified COPV inspector on site.I brought this up and then was not allowed to touch or be inside payload for 2 vehicles lmfao like wtf are they smoking?We had to stop the show and wait for new undamaged COPV bottles to arrive because of the "Tent Era" negligence and tomfoolery taking place that is unacceptable behavior.I spent 5 years and 7 days in the Air Force.4 of those years on the flightline with C-17 Globemaster 3 at JBPHH, HI.Been around the INDOPACOM and protected some serious firepower and secrets ill take to my grave.

This was part of a wider trend where a handful of former employees complained about build quality and lack of discipline at Starbase
 
The space Bucket has put out a video about the aftermath of the test-pad explosion:


Last night, during a static fire test of Starship's upper stage and before engine ignition, a catastrophic anomaly resulted in the loss of the vehicle, and with it, a good chunk of the test stand. In various videos showcasing the aftermath, you can see some of the damage done to the test stand itself, along with some of the propellant tanks and infrastructure.
We also got more insight into the cause with comments from Elon suggesting a COPV tank could have been responsible. While Flight 10 was setting up for a launch as soon as the end of this month, that obviously is no longer the case as SpaceX begins working on the next ship.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:34 - A Damaged Test Site

As for the spectacular pad blowup I have no doubt that Michael Bay would be both impressed and taking copious notes;):D.
 

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