US fighter jet rolls off aircraft carrier, sinks into ocean, Navy says

The extend of their stay in the mouth of the Dragon speaks volume in term of the efficiency duly proved during this cruise. People are focusing only at the loss of metal when the fact that no crew were lost, mission were launched en-masse, all while the battle group was probably under constant fire the all time is a strong assertion of American Naval power in modern days.

Last but not least, Standoff range would have been of no use dealing with the mission they were sent for that calls mainly for Persistence.
 
Carrier Strike Groups are a pale shadow (at best) of the Cold War era Carrier Battle Groups though. Which is ironic given that Carrier Strike Groups were supposed to have been designed, initially during the Age of Transformation / War on Terror era, primarily to counter such threats as the Houthis.
 
Grey Havoc said:
Carrier Strike Groups are a pale shadow (at best) of the Cold War era Carrier Battle Groups though. Which is ironic given that Carrier Strike Groups were supposed to have been designed, initially during the Age of Transformation / War on Terror era, primarily to counter such threats as the Houthis.
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The issue here is that asymmetric threats like the Houthis have genuinely ✨transformed✨ employing modern tactics as well as armaments like long range drones as well as armaments previously unthinkable for "insurgents" like AShMs and AShBMs.

I think it comes down to an overextended deployment, bad luck (resulting in low motivation and morale) and the USN genuinely being overconfident. Yes, the Houthis haven't sunk any USN ship, but it's not like the USN deployment did anything significant either. The Houthis operate as usual and the USN lost 3 Super Hornets and crashed the Truman into a merchant ship. Thinking you can just do as you please and put your CSG in immediate danger (didn't they say the Truman had to literally take evasive action which threw one Hornet over board?) because your opponent is a non-state actor reeks of overconfidence and arrogance. And Hubris results in downfall, or in this case in tens of millions of material lost/damaged. Expending munitions and eating into the life of airframes for very little real world gain.

An opponent like the Houthis doesn't disappear because you yeet a couple bombs at them and dodge missiles and drones in return. You either go all in on the ground or go home, it's that easy. Either be serious about it or don't be there at all. Such token operations are just dumb in my opinion, half measures aren't getting anyone far. Look how being half assed in the February 2022 resulted in much higher expenditure for Russia for example.

To conclude, I believe:

> The people that participate in this deployment need genuine rest.

> The USN is poorly equipped as of now to deal with threats similar to the Houthis, let alone a much superior opponent which could field better and more numerous missiles and drones.

> The USN underestimated the challenges at hand.

> The mission itself should be reevaluated based on the cost to benefit ratio compared to employing other methods, be it diplomacy, proxy warfare or a short full scale deployment in Yemen with regional allies.
 
EmoBirb said:
The issue here is that asymmetric threats like the Houthis have genuinely ✨transformed✨ employing modern tactics
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I'm not sure the Houthi threat in the Bab al Mandeb is too different to the Boghammer/mine threat in the Gulf in the 1990s. (Or the Barbary and Bugis pirates in earlier eras).
 
EmoBirb said:
I think it comes down to an overextended deployment, bad luck (resulting in low motivation and morale) and the USN genuinely being overconfident. Yes, the Houthis haven't sunk any USN ship, but it's not like the USN deployment did anything significant either. The Houthis operate as usual and the USN lost 3 Super Hornets and crashed the Truman into a merchant ship. Thinking you can just do as you please and put your CSG in immediate danger (didn't they say the Truman had to literally take evasive action which threw one Hornet over board?) because your opponent is a non-state actor reeks of overconfidence and arrogance. And Hubris results in downfall, or in this case in tens of millions of material lost/damaged. Expending munitions and eating into the life of airframes for very little real world gain.
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I remember reading a book many years ago, and a comment in it has stuck with me ever since:

" Confident, cocky, lazy, dead...."
 
Remember that we haven't seen a cargo hit by Houtis weapons since both carriers were sent in the red Sea.
There is a strong contextual result in that in regard to Egypt and the Israel operations in Gaza (that's why I was myself among the ones shocked with the report that among Israeli some were dissatisfied with this unilateral truce).

Hence it would be hard to contest that the mission achieved tangible results (Egypt staying out of this conflict and the absence of cargo sunk). But then would that last? Well, that is the question...
 
FighterJock said:
Three Hornets lost from the Truman carrier? Just what is going on with carriers these days?
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Ok Ok! We get it—you want the new fighters.

It begins with vegetables and if you don’t spank the little dears— it’s jet planes next.

I never opened the new bottle of ketchup until the old one was empty.
 
FighterJock said:
Three Hornets lost from the Truman carrier? Just what is going on with carriers these days?
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1 Friendly Fire
1 off the hangar deck during evasive maneuvers
1 when the arresting wire snapped and the plane went off the angled deck.

Not bad for 7 months of constant combat operations.
 
Scott Kenny said:
1 Friendly Fire
1 off the hangar deck during evasive maneuvers
1 when the arresting wire snapped and the plane went off the angled deck.

Not bad for 7 months of constant combat operations.
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2 “lost by the arresting wire snapping”

3 so far under the new “administration”
 
Bruno Anthony said:
2 “lost by the arresting wire snapping”

3 so far under the new “administration”
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No, 1st lost to friendly fire. 2nd lost over the side in an evasive maneuver, along with the tug attached to it. 3rd lost to an arresting wire snapping.

Miraculously, no fatalities in any one of the events. Broken arresting wires go out of their way to try to kill everyone on deck and smash a couple planes.

And again, the ship has been getting shot at every day for the last 6 months. Only losing 3 birds is a pretty good deployment so far!

A typical carrier deployment loses 2 birds. In peacetime. Naval Aviation be dangerous, folks.
 
Scott Kenny said:
No, 1st lost to friendly fire. 2nd lost over the side in an evasive maneuver, along with the tug attached to it. 3rd lost to an arresting wire snapping.

Miraculously, no fatalities in any one of the events. Broken arresting wires go out of their way to try to kill everyone on deck and smash a couple planes.

And again, the ship has been getting shot at every day for the last 6 months. Only losing 3 birds is a pretty good deployment so far!

A typical carrier deployment loses 2 birds. In peacetime. Naval Aviation be dangerous, folks.
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When was the last time 3 SH were lost in one deployment?
 
At least I'm reassured, they didn't lost a fourth one. Still an appalling death toll of Superbugs. Is Boeing production line still open ? Will they fish the three planes out of the Red Sea ? (where are Moses and Charlton Heston when you need them, dang it ?)
 
Well lets be honest here USN like European navies before them folded to folks that don't even have flipflops , or maybe that kompromat with underage honeytrap of Epstein just was not cutting it anymore .

Trump might have declared a victory and claimed that Huthis folded
Israel is still getting shot at -check
ships not free to travel - check
US ships not getting shot - were not before bombing Yemen


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