USAF/USN 6th Gen Fighters - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA, ASFS News & Analysis [2008- 2025]

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Sundog said:
My thoughts were it was between LM and NG and Boeing would end up with the F/A-XX due to their experience with Naval aviation. But with the B-21, I know the pentagon likes to spread the work around. Also, IIRC, NG shut down their TX program because they needed to concentrate on the B-21 and that was a much simpler program than the NGAD. So, it makes sense. Although, side note, fly the damned B-21 already! I'm tired of waiting. ;)
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Experience of the last half a century(both US and Soviet) says that there is almost nothing harder to get than advanced bomber concepts.
Even the most advanced fighters have far less troublesome development/deployment records.
 
raptor82 said:
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Waaat？


https://twitter.com/x/status/1684557333949448192
View: https://twitter.com/dlt649/status/1684557333949448192?s=46&t=5THFve96Abhx7VANdlTzrg
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Begs the question could whatever was depicted in their company video, if they are officially NOT partaking in NGAD so whats left?

www.popularmechanics.com

This New Video Looks to Be Giving a Sneak Peek at the Air Force's Secret New Fighter Jet

In Northrop Grumman's hangar of jets, there's one we haven't seen before. Take a look and decide for yourself.
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could it be for the NAvy F/A-XX then? Looking at the front undercarriage it looks like beefed up see on on carrier borne fast jets akin to Tomcat, Intruder, Corsair, Hornet, Super Hornet F-35C

cheers
 
In regards to NG having both the B-21 and the USAF NGAD would be a stretch I think however, the door is still open for the USN F/A-XX since it is futher out especially if Boeing does not get their act together as a company. NG may also be working some other advanced strike or ISR programs as well definitely leveraging their flying wing prowess and possibly some derivative YF-23/FB-23 configurations for medium theater strike. NG is in a unique position for various platform and mission types, you never know. NG could be doing advanced strike/attack platforms for the USN. Remember, the current mix on a USN flattop is F/A-18 E/F, F-35C, E-2 and C-2 for COD related to fixed wing platforms, that's it! Nothing close to the mix for every mission type when I was aboard CVN-65 in the early 80's.
 
sferrin said:
I would have thought NG would have had a better shot due it its experience with naval aviation. ;)
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Institutional knowledge has a short half life (2 careers), and I think its about that length of time for Grumman
 
zevets said:
Institutional knowledge has a short half life (2 careers), and I think its about that length of time for Grumman
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They have been producing E-2s, so it’s not as if they’re completely out of practice when it comes to carrier aircraft, but yeah. I don’t think we should be optimistic for the old Grumman Ironworks sensibilities to shine through once more.
 
zevets said:
Institutional knowledge has a short half life (2 careers), and I think its about that length of time for Grumman
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E-2D, X-47B. And Boeing? The Super Hornet? That was McDD. MQ-25? Has that ever been on a catapult or caught a wire?
 
Three contractors, two fighter programmes. Someone is going to lose out but I suspect it will sort itself out; with NGAD, F/A-XX, B-21, T-7, KC-Z, E-7 as the main current programmes there is plenty for everyone to be getting on with and likely as not we'll be hearing about F-35, C-130/C-17 and E-2 replacement programmes by the turn of the decade and that's not counting all the likely unmanned stuff.
 
Whenever anyone mentions Boeing engineers I always think of Emunclaw these days. I've heard of engineers screwing the pooch figuratively but....
 
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Hydroman said:
In regards to NG having both the B-21 and the USAF NGAD would be a stretch I think however, the door is still open for the USN F/A-XX since it is futher out especially if Boeing does not get their act together as a company. NG may also be working some other advanced strike or ISR programs as well definitely leveraging their flying wing prowess and possibly some derivative YF-23/FB-23 configurations for medium theater strike. NG is in a unique position for various platform and mission types, you never know. NG could be doing advanced strike/attack platforms for the USN. Remember, the current mix on a USN flattop is F/A-18 E/F, F-35C, E-2 and C-2 for COD related to fixed wing platforms, that's it! Nothing close to the mix for every mission type when I was aboard CVN-65 in the early 80's.
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C-2 is done in '24 - CMV-22B only from that point on: https://seapowermagazine.org/navy-air-warfare-director-c-2-aircraft-retirement-moved-up-to-2024/

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
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bobbymike said:
breakingdefense.com

For NGAD's new capabilities, Air Force turns to 'about... a dozen' non-traditional vendors: General - Breaking Defense

“We have a firm grasp on what the requirements are,” said Air Force Brig. Gen. Dale White, program executive officer for fighters and advanced aircraft, concerning the service’s plans to field drones that can join jets in combat.
breakingdefense.com breakingdefense.com
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“We have proven a path that allows us to do that and we’ve had some pretty tremendous success up to this point bringing [on]… some non-traditionals,”

“Right now we feel very comfortable with where we’re at and the partnership we have with Congress on this particular program is, I mean, it’s phenomenal,” said White.


Is the hyperbolic language at this point in the program normal? If it is in fact exceptional, that is good to hear and a welcome change from the debacles that seem to plague nearly every notable DOD acquisition.
 
skyblue said:
“We have proven a path that allows us to do that and we’ve had some pretty tremendous success up to this point bringing [on]… some non-traditionals,”

“Right now we feel very comfortable with where we’re at and the partnership we have with Congress on this particular program is, I mean, it’s phenomenal,” said White.


Is the hyperbolic language at this point in the program normal? If it is in fact exceptional, that is good to hear and a welcome change from the debacles that seem to plague nearly every notable DOD acquisition.
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Who is their intended audience? If China is supplying any material needed for the NGAD program, no one should be comfortable.
 
Roll on September, it will be interesting to get some images as to what the CCAs look like finally.
 
aonestudio said:
www.thedrive.com

How NGAD Will Sense, Communicate, And Jam Could Be Revolutionary

NGAD's potential use of multi-function arrays that combine radar, communications, and electronic warfare functions could be a game changer.
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New gallium nitride AESA radar sets like RTX's (Raytheon) Phantom Strike were designed to be cheap, light, easily integrated, while giving superior performance to larger systems currently in use. This concept rendering shows one installed aboard a stealthy Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie drone.
skeptical, expendable vs attritable for instance is going take so much time to ferret out truths the whole program will remain threatened IMHO.
 
Sundog said:
Aviation Week has confirmed that the three companies currently working on the USN F/A-XX program are LM, Boeing, and NG.
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If Lockheed Martin is choose for the Air Force NGAD program( as i think it will:) this will leave us with Boeing and NG, for the Navy fighter.
 
X-39 said:
Maybe related :
www.flightglobal.com

PBS and Pratt to explore futuristic APU technologies

Czech Republic aerospace firm PBS and Pratt & Whitney have signed a memorandum of understanding to explore advanced APUs for future fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters.
www.flightglobal.com www.flightglobal.com
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I'm pretty sure that the "6th-generation aircraft" referenced in that article are not stealth fighters. Small APUs would make more sense for airliners and commercial helicopters.
 
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