Russian jet collides with U.S. Reaper drone over Black Sea - drone crashes

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Archibald said:
Hope the drone pilot is OK... wait forget that.
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Let's hope he didn't hurt himself ejecting out of his office chair.
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Office chair? Best gaming desk ever...


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Forest Green said:
Very difficult to argue that this wasn't a deliberate downing, regardless of whether a missile was used.
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Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests. I mean, the fuel dump certainly suggest they wanted to impair the drone, but not necessarily destroy it. And EUCOM throws some shade by suggesting the incident indicates incompetence as well as unsafe and unprofessional practices.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635704403729457153
View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1635704403729457153
 
TomS said:
Culpable, not necessarily intentional. Could be a deliberate close pass that was misjudged, as this researcher suggests. I mean, the fuel dump certainly suggest they wanted to impair the drone, but not necessarily destroy it.
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Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.
 
Dreamfighter said:
Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.
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I never said otherwise. A close pass is also intentional and aggressive. But it's not a deliberate downing.

I'm not attached to any specific theory of what the Russians intended. Just reminding people not to jump to conclusions too quickly.
 
TomS said:
Dreamfighter said:
Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.
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I never said otherwise. A close pass is also intentional and aggressive. But it's not a deliberate downing.

I'm not attached to any specific theory of what the Russians intended. Just reminding people not to jump to conclusions too quickly.
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If my fighter-jets are dumping fuel on your drone, then I´m trying to disable or impair your drone.
 
Forest Green said:
So conundrum. Suppose there is no response this time, what happens next time?
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In October 2022, a RAF RC-135W was involved in an incident where a Su-27 "accidentally " released a missile, the consequence being subsequent Rivet Joint flights were escorted by Typhoons.
So the logical answer would be to escort the MQ-9 too? Or equip them with Sidewinder as a deterrence?
 
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On 23 December 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.
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TomS said:
Forest Green said:
sferrin said:
Do you really think Flanker pilots are that stupid?
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Have you seen their driving?
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Not great, apparently...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1635766881628876800
View: https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1635766881628876800?t=tlr4QY4rv3ZyRuNMve0Wyg&s=19
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The absolute state of the Russian Air Force. They struggle to gain air superiority over a smaller, weaker nation equipped with ‘80s vintage aircraft, can’t do basic SEAD/DEAD against outdated versions of their own air defenses, and are now accidentally crashing into large, subsonic drones. I almost feel 2nd hand embarrassment.
 
Forest Green said:
Dreamfighter said:
Deliberately "impairing" someone else´s aircraft in international airspace is an intentional act of aggression.
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Indeed, by analogy I wonder how people would feel about NATO aircraft dumping chaff and flares in the intakes of Tu-160s next time they're flying by Scandinavia.
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Flares and chaff are kinda crude and obvious. A better solution: release clouds of Icelandic volcanic ash to deal with tailgaters. I wonder how well TU-160's land with limited pilot visibility and gritted-up turbines?
 
F.L. said:
L'histoire est un éternel recommencement...
History is an eternal restarting...
On 23 December 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.
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First time?
https://worldwarwings.com/spitfire-pilots-amusing-method-intercepting-flying-bombs/
 

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Orionblamblam said:
A better solution: release clouds of Icelandic volcanic ash to deal with tailgaters. I wonder how well TU-160's land with limited pilot visibility and gritted-up turbines?
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Brings to mind the Sandcaster weapon from the Traveller RPG.
 
Transmitted by a Ukrainian twitty. Nothing proves that the video is recent.
And I think the drone looks a bit 3d... :)
History has already shown rigged events precipitating the world into war.
 
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