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Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« on: April 21, 2011, 09:04:36 am »
Have you ever seen anything so frustrating, complicated and seemingly illogical as Waco aircraft designations? I haven't often, personally.

And yet, there WAS a logic to those obscure all-letter codes... I have attempted to reconstruct a list as best as I could, and although there is bound to be a few omissions and possibly a mistake here and there, I believe this is a good step forward to help understand that Waco mess... Feel free to correct and update if you can!



Early types/designations

Baby Flying Boat

Waco International

Waco 1 Cootie

Waco 2 Cootie Biplane

Waco 3   

Waco 4

Waco 5   

Waco 6

Waco 7

Waco 8

Waco 9

Waco 10 (also see Type O)
  • Waco 10
  • Waco 10-H (see DSO)
  • Waco 10-T (see ATO)
  • Waco 10-W (see ASO)
  • Waco 90   
  • Waco 125    "Siemens Waco"
  • Waco GXE
Waco "240"
  • Waco 240-A


Letter designations

This system consists of three letters and sometimes a hyphenated numeral at the end.

  • Prefix = NUMBER OF ENGINES (no prefix for most types, the prefix "2-" used on the powered gliders and C-62 transport)
  • First letter = POWERPLANT (motor codes - with "N" used for gliders, presumably for "NO engine")
  • Second letter = AIRFRAME DESIGN (indicated specific drawings or design changes, varying considerably within individual models)
  • Third letter = SERIES (Waco type)
  • Suffix = REMARKS (dash number generally indicated first year of production)
A detailed explanation of how the system worked can be found here (thanks, Jos!):
http://www.aerofiles.com/wacodata.html


Model A
  • BBA
  • KBA (ATC 460)
  • PBA (ATC 464)
  • IBA (ATC 465)
  • RBA (ATC 466)
  • TBA (ATC 474)
  • UBA (ATC 479)
  • ICA
  • KCA
  • PCA
  • RCA
  • TCA
  • UCA
  • PLA Sportsman (ATC 502)
  • ULA Sportsman (ATC 511)
Model B
  • RFB
  • SFB
Model B (reused)
  • NLB (U.S.A.A.F XCG-13 and CG-13A cargo glider)
Model C
  • ODC
  • PDC (2-388)
  • QDC (ATC 412)
  • BDC
  • UDC
  • BEC (ATC 472)
  • OEC (ATC 468)
  • UEC (ATC 467)
  • UIC (ATC 499)
  • UIC-4 (ATC 499)
  • CGC
  • CJC (ATC 538)
  • DJC (ATC 538)
  • CJC-S (ATC 538)
  • DJC-S (ATC 538)
  • SJC
  • UKC(-4) (ATC 528)
  • UKC-S (ATC 528)
  • YKC (ATC 533)
  • YKC-S (ATC 533)
  • CUC (ATC 575)
  • CUC-1 (ATC 575)
  • CUC-2 (ATC 575)
  • UOC (ATC 568)
  • YOC (ATC 569)
  • YOC-1 (ATC 569)
  • VOC-6
  • CQC-6
  • DQC-6 (ATC 597)
  • EQC-6 (ATC 597 and USCG J2W-1)
  • AQC-6 (ATC 598)
  • YQC-6 (ATC 598)
  • ZQC-6 (ATC 598)
  • SQC-6
  • UQC-6
  • VQC-6 (ATC 631)
  • ZGC-6
  • ZGC-7 (ATC 627)
  • DGC-7 Custom Cabin (ATC 639)
  • EGC-7 Custom Cabin (ATC 639)
  • UGC-7
  • VGC-7
  • YGC-7
  • AGC-8 (ATC 664)
  • ZGC-8 (ATC 664)
  • EGC-8 (ATC 665)
  • MGC-8
  • YGC-8
  • ARC-9
Model D
  • CHD
  • CHD-A
  • C2HD
  • S2HD (ATC 543)
  • S3HD Super Sport (ATC 543)
  • WHD (2-512)
  • WHD-A (2-512)
  • S3HD-A (ATC 581)
  • S3HD-6
  • JHD(-6) (ATC 670)
  • WHD-7
  • THD/-7
  • CMD
Model E
  • CPE
  • ARE-6 Airistocrat(ATC 714)
  • ARE-9 Airistocrat(ATC 714)
  • HRE Airistocrat (ATC 714)
  • SRE Airistocrat (ATC 714)
  • WRE Airistocrat (ATC 714)
Model F
  • RNF (ATC 311, 2-255, 2-311)
  • KNF (ATC 313)
  • INF (ATC 345)
  • MNF (ATC 393)
  • ENF
  • ENF Special (2-430)
  • QNF
  • ICF
  • MCF
  • PCF-2 (ATC 453)
  • QCF-2 (ATC 416)
  • UCF
  • PBF (ATC 491)
  • PBF-2
  • OBF
  • TBF
  • UBF(-2) (ATC 473 and US Navy XJW-1)
  • YMF-3 (ATC 542)
  • YMF-5 (ATC 542)
  • UMF-3 (ATC 546)
  • UMF(-5) (ATC 546)
  • UGF-2
  • QPF
  • VPF-1
  • CPF-1 (ATC 583)
  • CPF-5 (ATC 583)
  • CPF-6 (ATC 583)
  • DPF-6
  • EPF-6
  • YPF-6 (ATC 586)
  • UPF-6
  • VPF-6
  • ZPF-6 (ATC 586)
  • DPF-7
  • LPF-7
  • YPF-7 (ATC 586)
  • VPF-7 (ATC 642)
  • UPF-7 (ATC 642 and U.S.A.A.F. XPT-14, YPT-14, PT-14 and PT-14A)
  • ZPF-7
  • HPF-7
Model G
  • CRG (ATC 362)
Model H (not official)
  • FGH (FBH?)
Model H
  • 2-FBH (U.S.A.A.F. YC-62 and C-62 transport project)
Model J
  • LAJ
Model K
  • RCK
Model M
  • JWM 
  • JYM (2-361)
  • **M-7?
Model N
  • YVN-8
    AVN-8 (ATC 677)
    ZVN-7 (ATC 686)
    ZVN-8 (ATC 686)
Model O
  • ASO = 10-W = 220-T = 200= Waco Sport  = "J-5 Straightwing" = "Whirlwind Waco" (ATC 41, 2-101, 2-102)
  • DSO = 10-H (ATC 42, 2-245)
  • BSO = BS-165 (ATC 168, 2-262)
  • CSO = CS-225 (ATC 240)
  • CSO-A = CS-225
  • 240-A
  • KSO
  • HSO (ATC 333)
  • OSO
  • QSO (ATC 337)
  • PSO (ATC 339)
  • RSO
  • ATO = 10-T Taperwing or 220 (ATC 123)
  • JTO
  • CTO = 225-TW, Taperwing CSO (ATC 257, 2-378)
  • CTO-A = 225-TW, Taperwing CSO
  • HTO
  • JYO
  • QXO
Model P
  • NXP 
Model Q
  • NYQ/-3   (U.S.A.A.F. XCG-3 and CG-3A)
Model R
  • NZR   (U.S.A.A.F. XCG-4 and CG-4A, U.S. Navy LRW-1, RAF and RCAF Hadrian I/II)
  • 2-**R (U.S.A.A.F. XPG-1, XPG-2, XPG-2A, (P)G-2A and XPG-2B)
Model S
  • DKS-6
  • UKS-6 (ATC 528)
  • YKS-6 (ATC 533)
  • ZKS-6 (ATC 533)
  • YKS-7 (ATC 626)
  • ZKS-7 (ATC 626)
  • UKS-7 (ATC 648)
  • VKS-7 (ATC 648)
  • VKS-7F (ATC 648)
  • HKS-7
Model T
  • RPT
  • LPT 
  • UZT
Model U
  • NEU (U.S.A.A.F. XCG-15, XCG-15A and CG-15A glider)
  • 2-YEU (U.S.A.A.F. XPG-3 and XPG-3A powered glider)
Model W
  • W Aristocraft
Model X
  • X
Model Z
  • NAZ
NOTES:

- I have not been able to find any evidence that Types I, L, V and Y ever existed.
- I have not yet listed the postwar Wacos.

« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 09:34:03 am by Stargazer2006 »

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 02:23:26 pm »
Aerofiles, at http://www.aerofiles.com/wacodata.html, provides a good explanation of what all those Waco codes mean.

As far as the USAAF designations are concerned:
1. C-62 was never built so may not have reveived a Waco designation;
2. CG-13 was Waco NLB
3. PG-3 was Waco YEU
4. TG-8 was a Piper, not Waco

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 08:35:35 pm »
Aerofiles, at http://www.aerofiles.com/wacodata.html, provides a good explanation of what all those Waco codes mean.

As far as the USAAF designations are concerned:
1. C-62 was never built so may not have reveived a Waco designation;
2. CG-13 was Waco NLB
3. PG-3 was Waco YEU
4. TG-8 was a Piper, not Waco

Awesome! Thanks Jos for reminding me of the Aerofiles site.

I'm impressed that you got the designations for CG-13 and PG-3. I looked for these for ages!
As for the TG-8, of course it was a mistake on my part, sorry about that.

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 01:25:25 pm »
Some very interesting insight on the very early Wacos, taken from Air-Britain Digest, Summer 1996:

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 04:06:02 pm »
Hi,


Waco CSO-A :single seat lightweight fighter,a version of CSO tandem two seat sports and training biplane,powered by 250 hp Wright R-760 E Whirlwind radial engine.Waco CTO-A :single seat lightweight fighter biplane,developed from Model-10, it had a tapered wing.


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,183.msg8820.html#msg8820
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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 09:59:53 am »
The Waco CG-15 was the NEU (the other Model U being the powered variant of the CG-13, the YEU).

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 12:43:57 pm »
The YC-62 transport was the Model 2-FBH, and another source gives the XPG-3 as the Model 2-YEU.

Quite obviously, the "2-" prefix was added when the type was a twin-engined aircraft.

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 09:34:53 am »
I have completely updated the Waco designations list above, and will add even more info to it soon. Anyone interested in these oldies around here?

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 10:20:45 am »
Absolutly YES ;D
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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2016, 11:06:13 am »
My dear Skyblazer,

I forgot to congratulate on this amazing work,and I have some mysteries in
my list about Waco,needs a days from searching to get their sources;

Model FT

TS-250 Meteor
TS-250-3F Meteor 2

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2249.msg111434.html#msg111434
« Last Edit: June 07, 2016, 04:35:21 pm by hesham »

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2016, 04:36:51 pm »
I forgot to congratulate with this amazing work,and I have some mystries in
my list about Waco,needs a days from searching to get their sources;

Model FT
TS-250 Meteor
TS-250-3F Meteor 2

My pleasure! Here are the postwar types I'm aware of:

  • S-220 Sirius > S-220-4 Sirius > Vela I (version of SIAI-Marchetti S.205/22R)
  • S-220-5 Vela (five-seat version of the S.205/22R)
  • SF-260-3 Meteor I > TS-250-3 Meteor (version of SIAI-Marchetti/Frati SF.260)
  • TS-250-6 Nova (project to assemble and sell the twin-engine SIAI-Marchetti S.210 in America)
  • Minerva (version of Morane-Saulnier MS.894 Rallye Minerva, later SOCATA Rallye 220)
  • Vega (existed?)

I haven't got your Meteor 2 or your Model "FT" in my list.

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Re: Waco (Advance Aircraft) designations
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2016, 04:48:51 pm »
Thank you my dear Skyblazer,

and by the way,the TS-250-3F Meteor 2 was a Project.