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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #720 on: January 18, 2012, 10:19:08 am »
that's what RITA said. but it doesn't mean that fire did happen for sure

Yup. Still have sound file somewhere where Rita claims hydraulics are gone on T-50.  ;D
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #721 on: January 18, 2012, 03:09:18 pm »
I talked to witness - engines were running on landing. another sensor glitch may be? we'd never learn for sure at least nearest time
would be interesting to check time gap to next flight...
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #722 on: January 27, 2012, 03:55:25 pm »


(54) AIRCRAFT IN INTEGRAL AERODYNAMIC CONFIGURATION
(57) Abstract:
FIELD: transport.
SUBSTANCE: invention relates to multimode
aircraft. Proposed aircraft comprises fuselage 1 with
dogtooth extension, wing with outer wings 3
smoothly jointed with fuselage 1, all-moving
horizontal tailplane 5, and all-moving vertical
tailplane 5. Fuselage middle section is flattened and
made up of a set of aerodynamic sections. Engines
are mounted in engine nacelles 6 spaced apart along
horizontal line while engine axes are directed at
acute angle to the plane of aircraft axis of symmetry
along flight direction. Said dogtooth extension 2
comprises rotary parts 8.
EFFECT: increased radar deception, better
maneuverability at larger angles of attack and
aerodynamic quality at supersonic speeds.
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #723 on: January 28, 2012, 04:33:01 am »
Discovery of the year goes to...

Mr. Flateric. Awesome stuff!  ;D Could you please attach the pictures, i am not having any luck opening them in Radikal or here.
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #724 on: January 28, 2012, 06:44:23 am »
And here is the full patent document (in Russian):


http://195.208.85.248/Archive/PAT/2012FULL/2012.01.27/DOC/RUNWC1/000/000/002/440/916/document.pdf


No more images than those flateric already posted though.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #725 on: January 28, 2012, 07:50:05 am »
Thank you. It is just i can see pictures, but cant open them to appear larger. That problem is solved with PDF. :) I did try to google it, but my google-fu is weak today...
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #726 on: February 14, 2012, 10:54:18 am »
I'm at work, and out web filter won't allow me to access the source to get the details.
 
T-50 faster, longer ranged, and able to carry more weapons than the F-22

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #727 on: February 14, 2012, 12:33:04 pm »
I'm at work, and out web filter won't allow me to access the source to get the details.
 
T-50 faster, longer ranged, and able to carry more weapons than the F-22

Sorry for being a little bit offence (maybe I had a too bad day  :-\ ), but each time I read Chief of the Russian Air Force, Colonel General Alexander Zelin, says something and esp. the Sukhoi PAK-FA will "fly faster, further and carry more payload than the American F-22" it is as realiable as a glossy print advertisment from Lockheed Martin or any other manufactor praising their product as the best.
Such statements are more political "hot air" than anything substantial.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #728 on: February 14, 2012, 03:45:57 pm »
I'm at work, and out web filter won't allow me to access the source to get the details.
 
T-50 faster, longer ranged, and able to carry more weapons than the F-22

Sorry for being a little bit offence (maybe I had a too bad day  :-\ ), but each time I read Chief of the Russian Air Force, Colonel General Alexander Zelin, says something and esp. the Sukhoi PAK-FA will "fly faster, further and carry more payload than the American F-22" it is as realiable as a glossy print advertisment from Lockheed Martin or any other manufactor praising their product as the best.
Such statements are more political "hot air" than anything substantial.

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As I said above, I couldn't read it until I came home from work. I thought there would be actual numbers in the article to demonstrate it; though there isn't any real proof until the aircraft actually "flies" the mission. Considering it won't really be operational until about fifteen years after the Raptor, I would hope it would be better in some areas. Although the range issue was expected, considering the Russians have always gone with larger fighters to protect all of their territory. We've never required that kind of range.

Also, I expect it to carry more payload because I figure they're going to have the ability to carry all kinds of external weapons loads. If we hung a lot of weapons off of the wings of the F-22, it would probably be comparable, but we're not going to that. At least, not yet anyway.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #729 on: February 14, 2012, 10:38:15 pm »
Such statements are more political "hot air" than anything substantial.
as always
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #730 on: February 16, 2012, 01:51:17 am »
Considering that the T-50 shares some aerodynamic traits with the YF-23, the PAK-FA may very well be faster than the F-22.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #731 on: February 16, 2012, 03:35:00 am »
Considering that the T-50 shares some aerodynamic traits with the YF-23, the PAK-FA may very well be faster than the F-22.
And lack of caustic at high temperature RAM.  While the YF-23 may have been a rocketship (who knows how fast!?) it was a prototype that didn't incorporate all of the LO technology of a production aircraft that limits time spent at high mach airspeeds.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #732 on: February 16, 2012, 07:10:49 am »
Considering that the T-50 shares some aerodynamic traits with the YF-23, the PAK-FA may very well be faster than the F-22.

And may not be.
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #733 on: February 16, 2012, 07:37:08 am »
M=2.1 -- M=2.35 max
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development
« Reply #734 on: February 16, 2012, 08:40:14 am »
^I guess that makes sense if they want to cover huge distances fast and gtfo.
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