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Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« on: August 09, 2006, 10:11:13 am »
T-60

An alternate design to the T-58, with MiG-25 style intakes.

T58D-30 (Su-15-30)

A 1966-67 project to equip the Su-15 with the complete MiG-25 weapons system (Smerch-A radar and K-40 missiles). Additionally, it would use afterburning variants of the Soloviev D-30 turbofan engine instead of the R-13-300. No illustration.

T-58Sh

1969 project to turn Su-15 into a ground attack aircraft (rival designs: MiG-21Sh, Mig-27Sh, Yak-28Sh; lost out to Sukhoi's T-8 design)

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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 10:23:12 am »
Su-19 (T-58PS)

1972-73 project, using T-10 ogival wing design with 6 hardpoints and a built in cannon. Agility was dramatically improved, and it could carry 4 R-60 AAMS as well as two R-98.

Su-19M

The Su-19M was the Su-19 reengined with advanced three spool Tumansky R-67-300 turbofans, as proposed for the MiG-29 against the RD-33.

Su-15M

Su-15TM rebuilt with Poorga lookdown/shootdown radar, Lyulka AL-21F turbojet engines and K-50 AAMs.

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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 10:32:09 am »
Sources:

Piotr Butowski, 'Sukhoi Su-15' Lotnictwo Wojskowe 6 2001
Yefim Gordon, Red Star 16: Sukhoi Interceptors Midland 2004
Tony Buttler & Yefim Gordon, Soviet Secret Projects: Fighters Since 1945 Midland 2005
Viktor Pavlov 'Su-15: Klassika Vtorogo Pokoleniya' Aviatsiya i Vremya 1 2003
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 09:25:20 am »
Hi,

There were other schemes for derivatives, for example the "Su-19M" of the mid-1970s, which was basically an Su-15TM with improved engines and an "ogival" wing, featuring a leading-edge sweep that smoothly varied from steep at the wingroot, moderate in midwing, and steep at the wingtips. There were three stores pylons under each wing, allowing carriage of six AAMs, and a built-in cannon on the belly. Nobody was buying; the Su-27 was the way of the future, there was no reason to have interest in a warmed-over design with roots going back to the early 1950s.

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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2013, 10:01:54 am »
From the book; Sukhoi Interceptors,by Yefim Gordon;

here is the Su-19M and T-58Sh projects.


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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2013, 12:22:30 am »
Su 19m with ogival wings model


Images removed - scanned from "Soviet Secret Projects Fighters Since 1945" By Tony Buttler and Yefim Gordon. This has a section on Su-15 projects which is recommended reading. Previous scans of same items in topic removed at publisher's request - Admin
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2013, 12:33:31 am »
are you going to post the whole book page by page, guys?
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2013, 01:11:48 am »
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T58D-30 (Su-15-30)

A 1966-67 project to equip the Su-15 with the complete MiG-25 weapons system (Smerch-A radar and K-40 missiles). Additionally, it would use afterburning variants of the Soloviev D-30 turbofan engine instead of the R-13-300. No illustration.
What a pity  :'(
 
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2013, 04:28:06 am »
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No illustration.
What a pity  :'(

Been through no less than six publications devoted to the Su-15 and found nothing...  :'(

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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 04:44:31 am »
Here are two images published in Aviatsiya i Vremia #62 (2003):
  • Two-view drawing of the Sukhoi T-58Sh
  • Bottom drawing of the Sukhoi Su-19M
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 12:30:01 pm »
If anyone wants to have a go at recreating some of these Su-15 variants, there's now an open-source SVG file available for a template created by a user named Kaboldy at Wikimedia:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Szuhoj_Szu-15.svg

It's an early model, but it looks accurate. I might give it a try.


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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 11:56:01 pm »
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Excuse me, but, I've found my photos on
"forum.key publishing.com"  not on the book you
mention.!
they are on this site since july 2010 and you could see them
always to day !
Nevertheless, I understand
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 01:21:36 am »
yesterday I checked my "Soviet Secret Projects Fighters Since 1945". Picture of Su-19M is the same as "Bottom drawing of the Sukhoi Su-19M" from Aviatsiya i Vremia #62 (2003), but in Aviatsiya i Vremia it was published sooner. I think it is ill to ask to remove some picture from unknown source when you don't have copyright on it. Or?

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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 02:31:06 am »
The scan included the text captions which clearly shows the image was scanned from the Ian Allan publications in question (I own paper copies of both).


It is quite possible that the copyright status of the image is uncertain, not least due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Thats an issue for Ian Allan and Mr Gordon, not this forum.


Nevertheless, forum guidelines state that scans posted under defence of fair use/fair dealing  are subject to veto from publishers. This applies particularly to books or magazines which are still in print and/or easily available. A scan of a project from an old magazine or book out of print does not normally materially harm the publisher. Scans from current publications may harm sales of said book or magazine, which prevents new books being published on this subject. For instance, scans of projects from Chris Gibson's Projecttech books would not be appropriate here.
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Re: Sukhoi Su-15 Projects
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 04:58:16 am »