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RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« on: November 03, 2017, 12:22:36 pm »
Appears to be out now. Looks like nice work from Dan Sharp. It is basically 132 pages on the OR.329 /F155T competition, with lots of original material from the brochures of each design and splendid renderings from one of forum members.
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 12:40:06 pm »
Amazing!

Gorgeus cover and promising contents.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 02:14:20 pm »
A surprise !
Mouthwatering indeed..

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 07:23:18 pm »
I was surprised to get notice of this in my daily update from Aviation Megastore.  The brier bits they show are quite tantalizing.  Definitely have to acquire this one.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2017, 02:44:29 am »
Thanks for the links and the preview; one way or another a definite sale here :)

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 08:11:43 am »
Nice book,I get it.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 02:50:03 pm »
Hope I can get it at Barnes & Noble
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2017, 03:17:45 pm »
Ordered!
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 08:48:42 am »
Looks good, going to get a copy when I next visit my local WHSmiths.   B)

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 09:09:52 am »
Hope I can get it at Barnes & Noble
Amen.
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2017, 11:30:29 am »
I got my eBook copy today. Its really great. Dan Sharp just stands for quality. He just raised my interest in british aviation and aeronautics (since I read "Britain´s Space Shuttle").

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 05:24:52 am »
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 11:54:04 am »
WH Smaug in Oxford does not yet have a copy.
I have one Meldrew moan peculiar to me  I notice from the scans that the artwork is spread across two pages. I prefer single page artwork as I sometimes cut up soft back books and put the relevant pages inside hardback books on the same subject. This allows me to kee down the quantity of books in my library and avoids piles of magazines. I know this is a bad habit but.....

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 02:35:14 pm »
So why do these publications have so little information on the Thin wing Javelin, aka the Gloster GA6?Considering this project reached a part built prototype, XG336, which went to the scrap man "Coles", and was Gloster Aircraft Companies death nail I'm surprised there's not more coverage. Also the aircraft which is frequently portrayed as the Thin Wing Javelin, ie the P376, is not the one which was being built  i.e. the P371 and there's quite a difference. About 20 years ago I by chance found a very interesting photo set from the air ministry contact termination report which clearly shows what was constructed;- I passed this on to the Gloster Jet Age Museum and should still be there 

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 03:37:33 pm »
In this case, because its actually just about F155T and the thin-wing Javelin was not a submission to F155T.

I humbly suggest a visit by you to the Jet Age Museum would result in enough material for a very interesting article on the thin-wing Javelin. If you don't think your writing skills are good enough, I would happily collaborate on it. Living in New Zealand, its tough for me to get there!
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 12:35:43 pm »
Another excellent publication by Dan Sharp, I don't know of any other author who can produce such densely packed bookazines' so many great reproductions of original illustrations and great art by Daniel Uhr and Luca Landino (a shame that Daniel's SR177 has disappeared into the fold of the book though).
I hadn't realised that the Avro Canada CF105 compared so badly with The large Fairey for instance, it was always my favourite choice to enter service.
I remember reading somewhere that Roland Beamont was very impressed with the EE P8 apart from his exasperation with British designers not giving enough attention to all-round visibility and in particular , the terrible rearward view.
Thoroughly recommend this book, hoping for a follow up on OR339 now!

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2017, 03:22:17 am »
Another excellent publication by Dan Sharp, I don't know of any other author who can produce such densely packed bookazines' so many great reproductions of original illustrations and great art by Daniel Uhr and Luca Landino (a shame that Daniel's SR177 has disappeared into the fold of the book though).
I hadn't realised that the Avro Canada CF105 compared so badly with The large Fairey for instance, it was always my favourite choice to enter service.
I remember reading somewhere that Roland Beamont was very impressed with the EE P8 apart from his exasperation with British designers not giving enough attention to all-round visibility and in particular , the terrible rearward view.
Thoroughly recommend this book, hoping for a follow up on OR339 now!

Thank you for enjoying the work ;)
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2017, 07:47:56 pm »
Thoroughly recommend this book, hoping for a follow up on OR339 now!
I am awaiting my hard copy but what I've seen looks great and I will second those hopes.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 06:25:39 pm »
The local Barnes & Noble stores are getting more on the ball regarding Mortons publications.  I was able to find this one a few days ago, along with the other recent volume on RAF Fighters of WWII.  The Allied Fighters and latest Luftwaffe issues are also locally available here in greater Atlanta.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 03:43:55 am »
Zootycoon, PaulMM,

an article about the thin wing Javelin projects would be very appreciated. Looking at the published P. 371 or P.376 drawings I always wondered why they are called "thin wing". Although larger aircrafts (especially the P.376) than the standard Javelin the wings do not seem to be much (if at all) reduced in thickness. Only the later attack version P.384 shows a wing thickness suitable for supersonic dashes.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2017, 10:46:03 am »
Got this for Christmas from someone who knows my tastes well

It's excellent. Congrats to newsdeskdan, paulmm, Geist and all others involved!
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 11:48:41 am »
Got this for Christmas from someone who knows my tastes well

It's excellent. Congrats to newsdeskdan, paulmm, Geist and all others involved!

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 09:00:40 pm »
My copy arrived the week before Christmas.  It makes a fascinating comparison with, at a slightly earlier timeframe, the USAF LRI competition that was won by NAA's F-108.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2018, 01:05:32 am »
I have received the book yesterday.
Great job & artwork.
Just a infinitesimal regret: Page 45 top right, the drawing of the illegitimate son of the P.1103 and HP-115  ;D is sooooooooo small.
Congratulations to Dan Sharp and all involved.
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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2018, 01:32:13 pm »
I have just finished reading the bookazine. Congratulations to the author, it is really excellent !!

Hopefully more will come....OR339 and why not some american ones like the LRI-X or the design competition for the B70.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2018, 10:53:37 am »
....OR339 and why not some american ones like the LRI-X or the design competition for the B70.
I agree, those would be very nice, indeed, as there were some facinating entries in the LRI-X competition.  I believe Scott Lowther has pretty well covered the main B-70 competitors in his publications, but you wonder who else was in the preliminary evaluation.

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Re: RAF: Secret Jets of Cold War Britain
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2018, 06:03:44 am »
Just got a copy today. Excellent piece of work, as has been said here many times.

The Fairey saga is of especial interest to me at the moment. Interesting to see how the Ministry correspondence compares with Company- and staff-derived accounts.

Looking forward to the sequels! One on the VTOL saga from P.1127 to F-35B would not go amiss.
Cheers.