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Now at the printers and available 2nd May 2016

http://www.thehistorypress.co.uk/publication/Beyond-the-Spitfire/9780750965156/

Chapter 1.  Supermarine – origin and the early years
      Noel Pemberton Billing
      Hubert Scott-Paine
      Supermarine Aviation Works Ltd
      Reginald Mitchell arrives
      The Supermarine Baby
Chapter 2.  1919 - Supermarine meets the challenge of peace
      Securing the business
      Staff changes
The first Channels
      Racing
      Speculative designs
Chapter 3.  Mitchell’s first flying boats
      Olympia - new variations on old themes
Selling the Channel
      Commercial Amphibian competition
Military designs
      Racing again
Chapter 4.  Commercial aircraft and airlines
      Diversification and expansion
      British Marine Air Navigation
Chapter 5.  Production at last
      The struggle to survive
      Seagulls
Chapter 6.  More racing and Scott-Paine departs
      Defending the Schneider Trophy
      James Bird takes over
Chapter 7.  The move to big ‘boats
      Multi-engine flying boats
      The Southampton
      Nanok
Chapter 8.  Expanding the design team, light aircraft and more amphibians
      The Design Department
      Mitchell’s first land aeroplane
      The next generation of amphibians
Chapter 9. Racing: a new direction and a dead end
      Mitchell’s first monoplane
Chapter 10. Competition and the introduction of fabrication in metal
      The rise of the flying boats
      The metallurgy department
Chapter 11.  A move away from marine aircraft
      Mitchell’s first true fighter
Chapter 12.  Schneider Trophy racers; a triumph and a distraction
      Success in Venice
Chapter 13.  1927 – New ideas
      Supermarine relaunched
      Dornier
      The big ‘boat designs
      Mitchell joins the board
Chapter 14.  Vickers
      Takeover
      Reorganisation
      New recruits
Chapter 15.  Hard Times
      Schneider success and the air speed record
      Southampton X and the Air Yacht
      Small civil flying boats
Chapter 16.  The saga of the six-engined flying boats
      Dornier again
      Concepts for very large flying boats
      The Giant awakes
      The Giant’s demise
Chapter 17.  The Type 178 projects
      Random ideas, embryo projects, none of the above
Chapter 18.  Transition
      Seeking overseas customers
      Torpedo Bomber
      Civil flying boats
      Australian amphibian
      Canadian Monoplane
      The final Schneider success and another air speed record
Chapter 19.  Replacing the Southampton
      Scapa
      Stranraer
Chapter 20.  Small Amphibians & Miscellaneous projects
      Small Amphibians
      Seagull V
      Sea Otter
      Transports
      Coastal patrol
      Un-numbered projects
Chapter 21.  Fighters
      Late 1920’s biplane fighters
      F.7/30 and the quest for innovation
      Type 300
      Designing the Spitfire
      On elliptical wings
      The Spitfire in context
      Two-seat fighters
      Cannon fighters
Chapter 22.  Competition and the four-engined flying boats
      Coastal Patrol
      Imperial Airways
      Sikorsky
Mitchell’s views on air transport
Flying Boats for Imperial Airways
      Short’s monoplane flying boats
      Trans-Atlantic flying boats
Chapter 23.  More twin-engined flying boats
      Replacing the Stranraer
      High-speed monoplane flying boats
Chapter 24.  Bombers
      Bombers in the 1920s
      Single engine bombers for the 1930s
      B.1/35 Twin Engined Heavy Bomber
      B.12/36 Four Engine Heavy Bomber
Chapter 25.  Supermarine after Mitchell
      Turmoil and uncertainty in the Works
Pre-war projects
Chapter 26.  RJ, the man and the rise of a legend
      The legend
      R.J.Mitchell; the man
      Genius

Appendix 1.   Orphan designs
Appendix 2.   The Spitfire’s skewed elliptical wing and notes on NACA aerofoils
Appendix 3.   The Design Department
Appendix 4.   Supermarine Project list and index
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2016, 10:01:44 am »
Looks very interesting.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2016, 10:04:43 am »
Absolutely awesome!!!! Many thanks sir!

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2016, 06:20:28 am »
Looks like a very interesting book. I need to make another space ready on the bookshelf I think.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 05:10:45 am »
Striking cover.. interesting contents... one for the collection !

P.S. any idea about the index..?

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 09:28:25 am »
Sorry about the formatting but this should give you an idea about content. Every project/aircraft is illustrated with a 3-view redrawn from the original Supermarine blueprints

Appendix 4 Supermarine Project List and Index

(********See cleaned-up table in the next post***********Thanks Paul)
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 10:33:34 am »
Converted using http://theenemy.dk/table/

Appendix 4 Supermarine Project List and Index
YearProject  Chapter
1917BabyN59, 60, 611
1919Single Seat Flying Boat, Type A2
2-engined, 3-seater flying boat, Type B2
Channel, Type CMod. AD Flying Boat1
3-engined triplane flying boat, ‘Dolphin’ Type D2
Sea LionEx Baby N612
‘Shark’ triplane flying boat2
1920Single seat flying boat3
Sea KingEx Baby N603
Channel II, 4-seater3
Amphibian (Commercial Amphibian)3
Single seat scout and bomber3
Single seat ship’s flying boat3
Amphibian flying boat for ship work3
Seal Mk II3
1921Fleet gunnery spotting amphibian3
Triplane torpedo carrier flying boat3
Swan 7-seater commercial amphibian flying boat4
Sea King IIEx Sea King3
Single seat fighter flying boat for ship use3
7-seater commercial flying boat4
Commercial amphibian flying boat for Instone4
School amphibian flying boat3
Seagull amphibian flying boatSeagull II & III5
Scylla flying boat torpedo carrierHull only3
19228-seat commercial amphibian4
Amphibian flying boat, school machineMod. Channel-
Bomber amphibian flying boat5
Twin-engined bomber amphibian5
4 seat commercial amphibian flying boat4
Twin-engined commercial flying boatEarly Swan-
Sea Lion IIEx Sea King II3
Swan twin-engined civil amphibian flying boat4
Sea Eagle4
Amphibian flying boat for long distance work‘Round the World’4
3-seat amphibian flying boat4
1923Amphibian flying boat service bomber type5
3-engined flying boat to AM spec 9/237
Sheldrake amphibian flying boat service bomber type5
Sea Lion IIIEx Sea Lion II6
Sea Urchin high performance flying boat6
Commercial and general service amphibian flying boatCivil Sheldrake5
1924Scarab amphibian flying boat service bomber5
Twin engine flying boat converted to armed reconnaissanceBased on Swan7
Amphibian flying boat fleet spotter2 designs8
Service type twin engine flying boat7
Sparrow two-seater aeroplanebiplane8
Southampton7
Twin engine amphibian flying boat2 designs8
1925Single-seater high performance seaplane9
Shark twin-engine flying boat7
Swan MkII twin-engine amphibian flying boat7
Condor light bomber amphibian8
Southampton II10
Southampton twin engine flying boat for civil purposes7
1926Seamew8
S4 seaplane9
Southampton development 3-engined flying boat3 designs7
Solent/Nanok FBVII torpedo bomber7
S5 seaplane12
Sparrow II two-seater aeroplanemonoplane8
Twin-engine flying boat for civil purposesCivil Seamew8
Solent 3-engined flying boat for civil purposes-
Single seat fleet fighter to AM spec. 21/263 designs11
19273-engined flying boat to AM spec 4/27biplane13
3-engined flying boat to AM spec 4/27 & air yachtmonoplane13
1928S6 seaplane15
Flying boat 6 Napier XI engines6 designs16
Seamew – single Napier Lion or Bristol Jupiter engine8
3-engine monoplane Air Yacht15
3-engine monoplane flying boatApp 1
Type 171 Southampton Mark X15
Type 171 civil Southampton Mark X15
1929Six engined flying boat to AM spec.R.6/2816
Type 179 Six engined flying boat to AM spec. 20/28 Contract cancelled16
Type 178 00 Sea Hawk 3 engined civil flying boat15
Type 180 4 engined civil flying boat18
1930Twin engine flying boat – Hispano Suiza engines3 designs18
Type 178 00 Sea Hawk 3 engined amphibian flying boat17
Twin engined fleet spotter to AM spec. 9/3018
Type 178 00 3-engined civil amphibian flying boat17
1931Type 178 01 Civil mail carrier17
Type 178 02 Single engined bomber & reconnaissance amphibian17
Type 181 Amphibian flying boat for the RAAF & civil15
4 engined civil amphibianApp 1
4 engined monoplane flying boatApp 1
Type 178 03 Twin-engined air mail boat17
Type 182 General purpose commercial high-wing monoplane18
Type 183 General purpose commercial low-wing monoplaneNo information-
Type 184 Southampton II (R-R Kestrels and metal wings)N25310
Type 185 Southampton X (mod. with Bristol Jupiters)15
Type 186 S6a (refurbished S6 with new floats)18
Type 187 S6b18
Type 188 Southampton X modified with cockpit canopy15
Type 189 Southampton II modified with Bristol JupitersModified N21810
Type 190 Southampton II export versions; Turkey etc-
Type 178 04 Twin engine Southampton flying boat19
Type 178 05 Twin engine flying boat19
Type 178 06 Sea HawkSouthampton Mk X-
Type 178 07 Southampton IV19
Type 178 08 Proposal to reduce landing speedS6b18
Type 178 09 High performance day bomber24
Type 178 10 Single seat day and night fighter (biplane and monoplane)21
1932Type 178 11 3-engined monoplane flying boatMilitary Air Yacht-
Type 178 12 Single seat biplane day and night fighterMod. Type 178 1021
Type 178 14 Single seat monoplane day and night fighterMod. Type 178 1021
Type 221 Southampton IVScapa prototype19
Type 222 Floats for Vickers Vildebeest-
Type 223 Seagull V single engine amphibian flying boatPrototype N220
Type 224 Single seat monoplane day and night to AM spec. F.7/3021
Type 225 Single engine civil amphibian flying boatCivil Seagull V20
Type 226 ScapaProduction19
Type 227 Southampton V to AM spec. R.24/3119
Type 228 Seagull VProduction20
Type 229 Scapa with experimental stainless steel wing spars-
Type 230 Southampton V/StranraerPrototype19
Type 231 Twin engine bomber transport to AM spec. C.26/31-
Type 232 Four engine boat seaplane to AM spec. R.2/3322
Type 233 Southampton II for Turkey, Hispano-Suiza 12Nbr engines-
1933Type 234 Southampton II for Turkey, Hispano-Suiza 12Nbr engines-
Type 235 Scapa with Napier Culverin diesel engines19
Type 236 WalrusProduction20
1934Type 237 Stranraer (and projected civil adaptation)Production19
Type 238 Biplane boat seaplane to AM spec. R.2/3322
Type 239 Four engine boat seaplane to AM spec. R.2/3322
Type 240 Twin engine coastal reconnaissance landplane-
Type 300 F.7/30 developmentProjects & Spitfire I21
Type 301 Floats for Vickers Vincent-
Type 302 Four engine flying boat for Imperial Airways22
Type 303 R.24/31 Scapa development4 designs23
1935Type 304 Stranraer development – Canadian Vickers production-
Heavy bomber landplane to AM spec. B.1/3524
Type 305 Two seater day and night fighter AM spec. F.9/3521
Type 306 Flying Boat for Imperial Airways transatlantic passenger service22
Type 307 Seagull V – Pegasus VI-
Type 308 Long range flying boat to AM spec. R.12/3523
Type 309 Sea Otter20
Type 310 Long range flying boat23
1936Type 311No information-
Type 312 Single seat day and night fighter to AM spec. F.37/3521
Type 313 Single seat day and night fighter to AM spec. F.37/35-
Type 314 High performance flying boat to AM spec. R.1/3623
Type 315 Walrus for Argentina-
1937Type 316 Heavy Bomber to AM spec. B.12/3624
Type 317 Heavy Bomber to AM spec. B.12/36 – Hercules enginesTwo prototypes24
Type 318 Heavy Bomber to AM spec. B.12/36 – Merlin engines24
Type 319 2 seat fighter25
Type 320 Walrus for Turkey-
1938Type 321 Mark IV gun turret24
Type 322 Aircraft to AM spec. S.24/37-
Type 323 Speed Spitfire21, 25
Type 324 Fighter to AM spec. F.18/3725
Type 325 Fighter to AM spec. F.18/3725
Type 326 Walrus development  - Pegasus VI-
Type 327 High speed single seat cannon gun fighter25
1939Type 328 Flying boat to AM spec. R.5/3925
Type 329 Spitfire Mk II
Type 330 Spitfire Mk III
Type 331 Spitfire Mk V
Type 332 Spitfire FN gun (for Estonia)
Type 333 Two seat fleet fighter to AM spec. N.8/3925
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 12:11:23 pm »
Hi,

311 was a Supermarine designation for Spitfire F37/34 with Merlin E engine,only a project.

http://www.k5054.com/variants.html

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 12:46:36 pm »
Possibly, the date would be about right but no drawings seem to exist to confirm this (presumably if it was a simple upgrade of the Spitfire it would only have involved minor changes and any drawings would be unlikely to have been retained). As it is followed by the type 312, which is not a simple Spitfire variant and possibly based on an earlier version of the Type 300, it leaves a few questions in my mind so I have chosen to leave this as unknown

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 02:39:03 pm »
Impressive list..... thanks!
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 03:43:42 am »
Impressive cover. Love the quality artwork
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 05:37:17 am »
Impressive cover. Love the quality artwork

Front and back cover, plus some further colour illustrations, courtesy of Matt Painter http://www.matt-painter.co.uk/

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 10:02:38 am »
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 04:52:38 am »
Possibly, the date would be about right but no drawings seem to exist to confirm this (presumably if it was a simple upgrade of the Spitfire it would only have involved minor changes and any drawings would be unlikely to have been retained). As it is followed by the type 312, which is not a simple Spitfire variant and possibly based on an earlier version of the Type 300, it leaves a few questions in my mind so I have chosen to leave this as unknown

But Mr. Tony Buttler confirmed on this ?.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 07:35:33 am »
However, as you can see, that list is contradictory. Type 300 covers the various project designs leading to the Spitfire, the prototype and the production of the Mk1. F.37/34 was written to support the order for the prototype so clearly Type 311 has to have been something different.