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Fictional Warships - Novels
« on: October 29, 2015, 10:11:42 am »
This thread is effectively a relaunch of the "Fictional Never-Were" thread from Warship Projects 3.0.

It covers fictional warships in novels such as:

USS John F Kennedy (BCGN-???) (Joe Poyer: North Cape, 1969)

First up...

John Watson: The Final Act, 2000

Hindenburg
Bismark Class Battleship (Third member of class)
Has been converted into a monitor.
Hull dimensions are the same as the real ships.
Armament: 4 x 15inch Guns (Turrets 'Anton' & 'Bruno') & 16 3.7 cm guns (8 twin turrets)
Propulsion: 2 Diesel engines driving a single shaft, maximum speed 12 knots.
Armour has been greatly thickened compared to the Bismark and Tirpitz

HMS Trent
York Class Cruiser (Third member of class.)
Details as per the real ships.

Plot Summary: Nazi Germany sends the Hindenburg to bombard Washington in 1945 (Unknown to the captain the real plan is to transport $89,000,000 worth of gold to the US.). The monitor battles with HMS Trent and sinks her by ramming. A mutiny then takes place after the crew discover the gold. The ship is abandoned in Greenland and lies abandoned until a Dot-Com millionaire salvages the ship so he can use it as the center-piece of a theme park he plans to build.

After arriving at Washington the ship is boarded by a 'Sovereign Citizen' who somehow manages to fire one of the main guns at the White House (He misses). A Harpoon missile is fired at the Hindenburg by USS Clark (FFG-11) (A real ship.), which explodes but does not damage the ship, however does it break apart after running aground after the tow ropes are cut.

Note: This is the authors second novel, the first novel 'The Iron Man' (1998) is also covered in this thread.
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Re: Fictional Warships - Novels
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2015, 06:56:43 pm »
David Poyer China Sea, 2000

USS Oliver C. Gaddis (FFG-1???)
Knox Class Frigate
Details as per the real ships.
Surface armament has been augmented as follows, in addition to the standard weapons fit out the following weapons have been equipped, a quad-40mm gun mounted on the fantail, two twin-40mm mounts on the boat deck (Port/Starboard), plus 20mm guns at unspecified locations.

USS Thomas S. Gates (CG-51)
Ticonderoga Class Cruiser
Real ship, details as in service.

China

Unnamed
Ex-IJN Katori Class
Stats as per the real ships, electronics have been modernized. The air craft catapult has been replaced with SSM missile launchers of an unspecified type.

Unnamed
Two Type 062 Class Gunboats
Details as per the real ships

Unspecified State (Ships probably belong to specific countries, but their identities/nationality are concealed, both from the hero and the reader.)

Unnamed
Underway Replenishment Ship
Smaller than the US Replenishment ships extant in the 1990s
Diesel Engines
Three Island layout
Can handle both fuel and ammunition replenishment.
No other details provided.

Unnamed
Nuclear submarine, class not specified
Not a US Submarine, possible nationalities are British, French or Russian.
No other details provided

Plot Summary: A beached USN captain is given the job of preparing a frigate for transfer to Pakistan during the buildup to Desert Storm. He instead finds himself sailing into stranger and stranger waters in the search for pirates in the South China Sea.

Note: This intrigue heavy plot is perhaps the authors wildest foray into naval action fiction, whenever I read it I cannot stop myself from thinking of Douglas Reeman's 'The Greatest Enemy' (1970), another novel set in the same region of the world and drawing upon similar fears about China.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 06:56:14 am »
David Poyer: The Passage, 1995

United States

USS Threadfin (SSN-???)
Thresher Class (or as later known Permit Class) Submarine
Details as per the real ships.

USS Barrett (DDG-998)
Kidd Class Destroyer (Fifth member of class.)
Details as per the real ships in regards to dimensions and armaments.
The difference between this ship and the actual members of the class is in the command and control hardware which incorporates a program called ACDADS (Automated Combat Decision and Direction System), or as named by the crew 'Elmo'. If the correct mode is selected the computer is capable of fighting by itself, having full control over the ships propulsion, steering and weapons...

Russia

Razytelny
Krivak Class Frigate
Details as per the real ships.

Plot Summary: The year is 1980, the USS Barrett (DDG-998), the newest ship in the US Navy has just entered service, provided the bugs can be worked out of her software, the ship may become the model for 21st Century warships, that is provided the Soviets don't interfere.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2015, 05:54:12 pm »
Now from David Poyer's more or less plausable creations to something a little less plauseable.

Charles D. Taylor, Silent Hunter, 1987

USS Imperator

A rather vaguely described super-sub. Length is around 1500ft, the aft (two thirds of the distance from the bow)  mounted conning tower tops out at most 120ft above the keel of the submarine. Hull width is unspecified.

Armament: The usual stuff for an attack submarine, in larger quantities, plus a marine contingent with tanks and helicopters (no mention if the bow opens to deploy the tanks via a ramp or they deploy via heli-lift).

Speed: Submerged: 25 knots(+). Surfaced: Unspecified

Plot: The Russians try to make the entire Arctic Ocean their own lake.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 04:48:54 am »
Now to an altogether more bleak place...

David Mace, DEMON-4, 1984

DEMON-4

Autonomous underwater combat vehicle. Control system comprises a computer linked to a suitably conditioned human brain.

Length: 15m
Beam: 3.2m
Height: 2.6m

Speed:  Max: 30knots (+) (submerged), surface speed not mentioned.

Armament: Torpedos and hypervelocity weapons referred to as 'Darts' and 'Bolts'.  Also carries various decoys and can be fitted with manipulators and a pod to carry one human occupant at the expense of the weapons load.

Plot Summary: WWIII ended after 65 days. The struggle to survive has begun, but the machines built to protect resource areas are too paranoid to be shut down, they can only be killed...

(Later:I've added a scan of the Tony Roberts cover of the novel, which also seems to be based on the authors description.)
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 02:06:02 pm »
Hmmm, really scraping the depths of my memory here. A novel I think was called 'Fathom'. An optionally-manned minisub/UUV developed by the French code-named Green Dolphin. Standard techno-thriller plot: hijacked equipment, nuclear terrorism, race against time etc. Published some time in the first half of the 1980s? Google's not helping, so is anyone else's memory jogged?

It's of interest because the Green Dolphin seems to anticipate a lot of current thinking. As mentioned, it is designed for covert military operations, large enough to carry one person if required (largely during testing and development), it can operate unmanned, autonomously for long periods, it has an internal pumpjet propulsor and an anechoic coat.

Also, John Birmingham's trilogy beginning with 'Weapons of Choice' presents a whole fleet of futuristic but reasonably extrapolated vessels, too many to name and describe in one post.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 05:53:31 pm »
Hmmm, really scraping the depths of my memory here. A novel I think was called 'Fathom'. An optionally-manned minisub/UUV developed by the French code-named Green Dolphin. Standard techno-thriller plot: hijacked equipment, nuclear terrorism, race against time etc. Published some time in the first half of the 1980s? Google's not helping, so is anyone else's memory jogged?

Mine is, I've actually read it, but I don't have a copy. The only thing I can remember from the plot is that when the agent sent to stop it finds the submarine the coating on the outside feels like flesh and the person manning it is found to be very dead.

I'm wondering if those ideas were floating around (no pun intended) at the time.

Demon-4 has a ducted water jet propulsion system and is also optimised to minimise noise (internal weapons bays, a conformal shape, anechoic coat, etc)

Much of the novel (after giving the backstory) is a series of slow, silent approaches to weaken the defenses of the target.

Between pages 49-51 of the 1984 Panther edition (which may have been the only one) there is a pretty detailed 'data-dump', it might be enough for someone to run up an illustration.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 06:27:45 pm »
"Steel Albatross" of the book by the same name. Scott Carpenter

It's in a box somewhere, but it's been ages since I read it, and I don't remember the specs beyond it being a manned Slocum glider. The concept has definitely stuck with me.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 06:41:08 pm »
USS Cunningham, from Choosers of the Slain by James H. Cobb

Stealth design with a clipper bow and a well deck.

Length: 580 feet
Displacement: unclear (stated once as 80,000 tons, but also as less than a WW2 heavy cruiser, which means less than about 18,000 tons)
Propulsion: gas turbine electric with podded propulsors, 2 x 45,000 hp motors
Speed: officially "greater than 30 knots" but we see the ship making 42 knots in Sea State 5

Armament: two 76mm OTO Melara Super Rapid guns, advanced Phalanx CIWS (4 x 25mm Gatlings plus 2 x quad Rolling Airframe Missile), torpedo tubes, and 196 cold-launch VLS tubes.

Missiles: (initial load out)
Surface-to-surface: 36 Harpoon Two, 12 Standard HARM, 12 Sea SLAM, and 12 Strategic Cruise Missiles.
ASW: 36 Vertical Launch ASROC, 4 Aquahawks (ASW Tomahawk).
Surface-to-air: 48 LORAIN, 28 ESSM quad packs (112 missiles).
Special-mission loads: 4 BRAVE 2000 drones and 1 Zenith anti-satellite round (this is stacked on deck for launch and said to take up 4 VLS cells).

Aircraft: two SAH-66 Sea Commanche helicopters (nose-mounted APG-65 radar plus optional Clearwater III AEW radar or dipping sonar and sonobouys)

Sensors: AN/SPY-2A Augmented AEGIS, Mast-Mounted Sights, sonar
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 09:29:04 am »
Richard Thompson, The Tiger Cruise, 1999

USS Woodbridge (SSN-349)
Los Angeles Class Submarine (688i Subclass)
Details as per the real ships.
Note: Pennant is well outside the range of the Los Angeles Class (SSN-688 to 773 with gaps at 726 to 743 (Ohio Class) and 744 to 749 (Unassigned)). The number clashes with that of USS Diodon (SS-349) a Balao Class Submarine in service 1946 - 1971.

K-387
Russian Submarine. Class unspecified in novel
Capable of carrying a mini-sub (See below)

Experimental Submarine Observatory (ESO)
Mini Sub (French Designed)
Comissioned: June 1997
Length: 20.15ft (6.14m)
Beam: 10ft (3.05m)
Crew: 3
Armament: 1 324mm torpedo tube (Mk32, Mod14)
Nuclear powered
Speed: 24 knots

Note: Undetectable by all but the most modern passive sonar systems, exactly how is not specified by the author.

Plot Summary: Renegade Russians and agents of Saddam Hussain attempt to launch a bio-weapon attack on the United States, attempts to intercept them are made much harder by a massive offshore earthquake which causes a devastating tsunami to strike the east coast of North America. In the end it comes down to one submarine, which was carrying out a 'Tiger Cruise' taking friends and family of the crew out for the experience of a lifetime...
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2015, 03:36:25 am »
Ahem - if I may be allowed to mention my own book - The Foresight War http://quarryhs.co.uk/TFWreviews.htm  B) - this describes a number of fictional WW2 RN warships, including:

KGV class designed around reused 15" turrets (from R class battleships as well as surplus) to save time and money;

A new "frigate" light cruiser/fleet escort of around 4,500 tons with four twin 4.7" L/50 DP, instead of Didos;

Different destroyers and convoy escorts.
Military gun and ammunition website: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2015, 01:59:21 am »
Douglas Reeman, The Deep Silence, 1967

United Kingdom

HMS Temeraire (S.191, Callsign: BLUEBOY)
Valiant Class Submarine (Third member of class, her sister ship HMS Phoenix is the fourth...)
Details as per the real ships.

United States

USS Pyramus (SSBN-???, Callsign: SUNRAY)
Nuclear Submarine, class not specified.
Class unspecified, but clearly not the same class as the '41 for Freedom' Polaris submarines as it is explicitly stated that she carries 18 Polaris missiles. Torpedo armament is not specified but probably the same as the other US SSBNs 4 x 21 inch bow tubes. (This could be another one worthy of an attempt at doing an illustration.)

China (Peoples Republic)

Unnamed
Chinese submarine, class not specified, but may be a Type 033 (Romeo Class) or Type 03  (Whiskey Class).


Unnamed
Chinese covert Anti-Submarine Warfare vessel built around a trawler hull (Implied to be similar to 1960s commercial trawlers in appearance.) Armament includes one heavy caliber gun (Min:3in - Max:5in) mounted in a fake deckhouse aft of the bridge along with depth charge throwers. Sensors include a variable depth sonar system. (This is another 'never-where' that might be illustratable.)

Plot Summary: The Royal Navy's newest submarine finds itself in the middle of an undeclared war between the United States Navy and the Peoples Liberation Army Navy.

I've attached the cover of the 1973 edition of the novel as it is one of the instances of a cover artist (Chris Mayger(?)) clearly making an attempt to depict the main ship featured.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 01:52:52 am »
Brian Callison, A Frenzy of Merchantmen, 1977

United Kingdom

HMS Afghan
Type 81 (Tribal Class)  Frigate
Details as per the real ships.

MS British Venturer
Armed Merchant Cruiser operated by the Royal Navy's covert operations wing, the BMSNC (British Mutual Steam Navigation Company). Armament varies depending on mission, but can include guns, missiles torpedos and mines. For this operation the armament is a single 50-Mt nuclear bomb.

Russia

Unnamed
Skoryy-class destroyer
Details as per the real ships.

Plot Summary: An attempt to respond to Soviet provocations at sea goes badly wrong....

Later:I've added a scan of the front cover of the 1981 paperback release of this novel. A rather impressive image of a Soviet Destroyer by Paul Wright.  The full cover is linked below.

A Frenzy of Merchantmen: Full Cover

A Frenzy of Merchantmen: Full (1981) Cover
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 03:02:39 am »
Phillip E High The Time Mercenaries, 1968

The British Submarine Euphrates   

in Story it sank after collision with a Destroyer
it's dead crew and wreckage were recover and put in storage.
Centuries later the pacified mankind resuscitated the crew and repair the Submarine.
The Euphrates and it's crew are now last line of defense of Mankind, on a colony planet under Invasion of pitiless Aliens

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