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Re: Kharkov's Object 490 Buntar, Bokser and Object 477 "Molot" advanced tanks
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2014, 04:15:09 am »
I don't think so. This is supposed to be Buntar (possibly 490A design):



(Posted earlier in thread by youROKer under 'Unknown Kharkov MBT'. Identification via the STURGEONS HOUSE forum.)
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Re: Kharkov's Object 490 Buntar, Bokser and Object 477 "Molot" advanced tanks
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2014, 08:01:40 am »
No, it is 490 Buntar. It is not Molot (read specialists from Kharkov design bureau Organic from Otvaga forum).

The second wooden model is one of reseach design.

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Re: Kharkov's Object 490 Buntar, Bokser and Object 477 "Molot" advanced tanks
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2014, 09:15:01 pm »
Lets keep the advanced 80s/90s Kharkov designs in one topic pending definitive identification.
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Buntar (ob.490):

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Via Otvaga forums:
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All these pictures are fake.

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Via Otvaga forums:
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All these pictures are fake.

Can you please elaborate?
Fake as in theoretical? Unofficial? Speculation?

Also, Paul (Overscan), at least have the decency and the common courtesy to pm me before editing my posts and allow me to do it myself.
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Object 490 Buntar

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I've only just learned of this Object 490 now, how does it fit in with the other array of Soviet/Russian "next-gen" tanks? By my count:

Object 292 (T-80 hull and new turret with 152mm gun)
Object 299
Object 477 "Molot" (the FST-2 NATO intel guys were worried about)
Object 490 "Buntar" (probably another part of the overall FST-2 picture)
 - Object 490A (same as above or some variant?)
Object 195 (commonly referred to as the T-95, maybe a later program than the others, started after the collapse of the USSR?)
Object 640 "Black Eagle" (competing design with the Object 195)

Did the Soviets intend to continue their practices of building multiple designs concurrently as they did with the T-64, T-72, and T-80? Or was one design to be standardized upon?
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Object 292 (T-80 hull and new turret with 152mm gun)
292 was not a "next-gen" tank, it was built for testing 152 mm gun.

T-80U with a new tank turret with 152 mm gun:

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I'm not an expert but this is what I understand - 3 factories, all with proposals. Kharkov's design fits best with "FST-2" descriptions.

Kharkov (Designers of T-64, T-80UD) 
Izdeliye 490 Buntar 130mm gun, 6TD+ engine
Izdeliye 490A Buntar (prototype completed, it could drive but FCS and autoloader were unfinished)
Izdeliye 477 Bokser (mid/late 1980s) redesign with 152mm gun
Izdeliye 477A Molot
Izdeliye 477A1/A2 Nota

Uralvagonzavod (Designers of T-72)
Izdeliye 187 (deep T-72 modernisation - replaced by cheaper 188 - T-90)
Izdeliye 195 / T-95 (New tank)

Leningrad Kirov (Designers of T-80)
Izdeliye 299
Izdeliye 640 was started here and transferred to Omsk with the closure of Leningrad.
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Buntar.

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I'm not an expert but this is what I understand - 3 factories, all with proposals. Kharkov's design fits best with "FST-2" descriptions.
Kharkov:
490A Buntar 125 mm gun 2A66M
477 Molot 152 mm gun
477A Nota 152 mm gun

Uralvagonzavod (Designers of T-72)
187 125 mm gun 2A66
187A 152 mm gun
195/T-95 152 mm gun
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So.. any photo of Ob 477 ?