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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #781 on: April 07, 2017, 09:42:12 pm »
This guy can't seem to make up his mind what he wants to do.

You're really surprised by this, given the fact that the guy has been repeatedly literally called a brawler?
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Would be marching to the beat of his own drum, if he didn't detest marching to any drumbeat at all so much.

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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #782 on: April 08, 2017, 07:26:46 am »
This guy can't seem to make up his mind what he wants to do.

You're really surprised by this, given the fact that the guy has been repeatedly literally called a brawler?

Well all he's really managed to do is piss everybody off.
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #786 on: April 25, 2017, 11:45:28 pm »
ASEAN statement to go easy on Beijing over South China Sea dispute (Reuters)

Stupidity is truly its own reward...
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #788 on: May 10, 2017, 10:24:49 pm »
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #789 on: May 11, 2017, 03:00:14 am »
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.

Of course, the fact it secured the peace in Europe and helped end the Cold War is forgotten, isn't it?   ::)

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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #790 on: May 11, 2017, 05:06:18 am »
Not to mention that even back in the day, the Soviets were doing end runs around it. Such as when they transferred SS-23 Spider systems to the (nominal) control of East Germany and some other Warsaw Pact countries. When that little ruse came out it was a major embarrassment to the US State Department, who had been assuring Congress, as well as Reagan and then Bush, that the Soviets were in compliance with the treaty despite warnings to the contrary from various intelligence agencies.
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #791 on: May 11, 2017, 09:08:44 am »
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-says-it-successfully-tests-new-type-of-missile

Why we continue to be a party to a treaty, INF, that the counter party is in violation of and our major strategic competitor is not even a part of and in fact has a multi-hundred arsenal in, is mind boggling to me.

Of course, the fact it secured the peace in Europe and helped end the Cold War is forgotten, isn't it?   ::)
And I'm sure the Treaty of Westphalia was effective at the time. The point being times change the world and the threats we face are different. INF was signed with not a thought given to the threat of dozens if not hundreds of Chinese IRBMs possibly with maneuvering hypersonic glide vehicles targeting our carriers typically outside the range of our offensive weaponry. Locking yourself into a 30 year old Treaty given this new reality is folly at best and dangerous at worst.

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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #792 on: May 12, 2017, 08:21:48 am »
Cleaned up and temporarily locked, until the flared tempers have cooled down a bit.   ::)
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #793 on: September 13, 2018, 10:30:37 pm »
As it was locked only "temporarily", let's have a try and see, if a reasonable discussion is posible now ....
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Re: China Expanded Air Defense Zone
« Reply #794 on: September 16, 2018, 08:29:45 am »
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2159891/string-chinese-satellites-keep-real-time-watch-south

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China will next year start launching a series of satellites to track water conditions and traffic, and reinforce “national sovereignty” throughout the South China Sea, according to state media.

In all, six optical satellites, two hyperspectral satellites and two radar satellites will keep a real-time daily watch on the contested waters and monitor key areas several times a day as part of the Hainan satellite constellation system, China News Service reported on Monday.

Yang Tianliang, director of the academy’s Sanya Institute of Remote Sensing, said the network would enable authorities based in Hainan to speed up their response to emergencies, more effectively administer the South China Sea, and improve exploration and development of the resource-rich waters.

“Each reef and island as well as each vessel in the South China Sea will be under the watch of the ‘space eyes’,” Yang said. “The system will [reinforce] national sovereignty, protection of fisheries, and marine search and rescue.”

The programme is being carried out by the Chinese Academy of Sciences and is expected to be completed by 2021.

In the programme’s first phase, three of the optical satellites will be launched in the second half of next year. They will be equipped with optical remote sensors, a system to identify ships and cameras designed to monitor the ocean’s surface.

The network’s initial priority was to cover all of the South China, Sea so the cameras in the first three satellites will be strong enough only to focus on large and mid-sized vessels, the report said.

The two hyperspectral satellites to be launched in the second phase in 2020 will be able to assess water conditions, while the synthetic aperture radar satellites to be sent into orbit in the third phase will be able to provide all-weather, high-definition monitoring.

Yang said that when the network is completed, it will cover the entire area between the 30th north and south parallels, and could offer “seamless monitoring and receiving system” of tropical regions.

“This is will cover most of the Maritime Silk Road area,” he said when the programme was launched in December.

The oil and resource-rich waters of the South China Sea are claimed by China, the Philippines, Brunei, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan.

Tensions have risen in the area with China’s construction of artificial islands equipped with military facilities, and the deployment of military vessels by other claimants and the United States.
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