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T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« on: July 29, 2012, 08:20:29 am »
First view of it.

PS: Possibly not Armata afterall according to bmpd's blog: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/302442.html#cutid1 We will see.
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 08:40:14 am »
It's hard to tell in the little partial photo, but the model bears a suspicious resemblance to the fictitious XM10 Annihilator from "Best Defense."

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 05:42:26 pm »
It's hard to tell in the little partial photo, but the model bears a suspicious resemblance to the fictitious XM10 Annihilator from "Best Defense."





Not seeing it.


On topic, if it isn't Armata I can only wonder what it is. Just a generic model tank?

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 06:04:25 pm »
This model seems just a design to get money from the Russian Govt.


According to my Russian friend this is what the Armata looks like along with other vehicles based on the Armata chassis.



The Armata's hull looks very similar to the model's.

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 08:10:10 am »
There is some back and forward about it. Some say it is Armata, some say it isn't. We will see. Either way, we needed an Armata thread.
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 10:38:36 am »
A couple more photos of the model are over on MilitaryPhotos.net.
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 09:23:38 am »
A couple more photos of the model are over on MilitaryPhotos.net.

thank you for the posting.

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2012, 10:03:31 am »
A couple more photos of the model are over on MilitaryPhotos.net.

These photos are somewhat clearer and show something very interesting about the secondary armament - it has 6 barrels!

It makes sense that development the Kashtan system has worked out a number of the issues with this weapon. However, fitting such a gun to an MBT is something of a surprise.  At those rates of fire ammunition consumption is prohibitive.  The extra rate of fire is only really useful for CIWS (mainly CIWS).

This is either a press model (with little relationship to production concepts) or it shows that the Russian's may be anticipating the end of the age of the MBT (with SDBs and other precision weapons having to be shot down rather than merely evaded).

I'm also curious about the electrically operated AK-306 (A-219), which I presume this gun to be a derivative of. What is its minimum rate of fire (ie. allowing for dual use)?

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2012, 11:58:52 am »
At the risk of sounding dumb (for me a distinct possibility) and maybe its the camera angle but if some of those models represent an LAV sized vehicle then this new tank appears to be huge.  :o
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2012, 12:25:42 pm »

08/02/12 "BLACK EAGLE" 2. ON THE IMAGES OF THE NEW ARMORED VEHICLES PROVIDED ROGOZIN
August 2 2012.
 


Odnako.org , August 1, Alexander Gorbenko. In the Permian television story about the visit, Dmitry Rogozin, "Motovilikha plants" in the frame got new armor models, which previously has not been demonstrated to the public.
 
First, this is a new reincarnation of the Omsk object "640", better known as the "Black Eagle". Changes compared to previous versions of this and the remaining prospective main battle tank (MBT) was enough to rename it to "combat artillery car." It is evident that part of the insulating housing has increased the size of guns and armor made faceted and that should reduce the visibility in the range of radio waves and, apparently, the thermal signature of the hot barrel during firing.
 
Attention is drawn to the additional armament - from one side of the gun - Multiple system to another - something resembling AGS-57. Viewing tower on either side of the gun even more reduced angles reservations have become more acute. Ammunition is still available in the rear recess, although its size is reduced and the automatic loader moved into the crew compartment. Above the radar gun ballistic station, allowing the use of new types of high precision munitions.
 
We can say that Omsk designers did a good job on the bugs. But in general - is a further development of the "Black Eagle". Interestingly, despite the adoption of a new MBT Ural "Armata", work on improving the older machines are not Omsk were dismantled and the original name of the machine allows you to think about her future, along with the Ural MBT.
 
Virtually no new versions of ACS can be seen - one on the track platform, the other on the basis of wheel machine. A pity, because the chief designer of "MZ" Rogozin said that creates "a fundamentally new types of artillery, which by their performance characteristics, the effectiveness of 2 - 2.5 times greater than and domestic, and the best foreign models." We see only that it is not a prototype double-barreled self-propelled guns, which CRI "Petrel" previously demonstrated as a prototype of the "Coalition-SV".
 
Models of self-propelled mortars are made on three platforms: a wheeled armored vehicle developed under the R & D "Boomerang", a wheeled armored car "Typhoon" and on the basis of all terrain vehicle "Tiger." Recharge and guidance are likely to largely automated, but on a platform of "Typhoon", even a desert fighting compartment.
 


 
On the platform of "Boomerang" and "Kurgan-25" shown the options of a new armed 57-mm automatic cannon. High detail on the layout of towers, says that this weapon has a high degree of readiness. Also next to the "battle of artillery machine," presented version of the "Kurgan" with 45-mm automatic gun with telescopic ammunition. Previously it was thought that the gun is in the initial stage of development. One of these weapons systems will be equipped with "Armata" in the form of heavy infantry fighting vehicles.
 
Hard to say, as demonstrated on the basis of "Kurgan" with the gun turret in the desert - a light tank or lightweight self-propelled guns. Dimensions and size of guns, the presence of a small recoil device, they say that it is rather a self-propelled guns. The design of the combat unit is more suitable for the tank.
 
Dmitry Rogozin submitted samples are encouraging, not only as an extra demonstration of progress in creating a new armor. Even if not all of them eventually get to the troops - our defense industry is still able to simultaneously create multiple versions of similar armor. Competing development ultimately leads to quality. A different solution to a problem - it is always for the future.


http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/2591/
 


 
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 07:23:35 pm »
Btw. Any I.D. on the vehicle next to it? Is it the same chassis as the vehicle just before the trucks (with the unmanned turret)?

*edit* They are Kurganets-25 with 45mm, 57mm and 120mm guns...
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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2012, 03:28:18 am »
At the risk of sounding dumb (for me a distinct possibility) and maybe its the camera angle but if some of those models represent an LAV sized vehicle then this new tank appears to be huge.  :o

I think you'll find that the models are to different scales.

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 06:12:47 pm »
I take it from these models that we can infer the following:

- Russian studies suggest that the proliferation of guided munitions mean that vehicles have limited survivability on the battlefield.

- In response, higher value vehicles should sacrifice ammunition loads (combat persistence) for defensive capabilities. These will have an anti-air and anti-missile/anti-bomb capability (high RoF 30mm cannon, 45mm fragmentation rounds, active missiles defenses etc.) and some of these anti-air/anti-projectile vehicles will also happen to be MBT or IFV hunters.

- Targets which require large amounts of HE ammunition (ie. infantry), will be primarily engaged by artillery and dedicated close range bombardment vehicles / direct fire support vehicles (such as the TOS-1 and BMP-T). IFVs and MBTs would be seen primarily as escorts for such fire-support vehicles (providing defenses against aircraft, helicopters, UAVs/missiles, anti-tank positions and enemy tanks/IFVs).

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2012, 07:38:52 am »
I take it from these models that we can infer the following:

- Russian studies suggest that the proliferation of guided munitions mean that vehicles have limited survivability on the battlefield.

- In response, higher value vehicles should sacrifice ammunition loads (combat persistence) for defensive capabilities. These will have an anti-air and anti-missile/anti-bomb capability (high RoF 30mm cannon, 45mm fragmentation rounds, active missiles defenses etc.) and some of these anti-air/anti-projectile vehicles will also happen to be MBT or IFV hunters.

- Targets which require large amounts of HE ammunition (ie. infantry), will be primarily engaged by artillery and dedicated close range bombardment vehicles / direct fire support vehicles (such as the TOS-1 and BMP-T). IFVs and MBTs would be seen primarily as escorts for such fire-support vehicles (providing defenses against aircraft, helicopters, UAVs/missiles, anti-tank positions and enemy tanks/IFVs).

insightful reasoning thank you.

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Re: T-14 Armata - new gen Russian tank
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2012, 07:31:23 pm »
I take it from these models that we can infer the following:

- In response, higher value vehicles should sacrifice ammunition loads (combat persistence) for defensive capabilities. These will have an anti-air and anti-missile/anti-bomb capability (high RoF 30mm cannon, 45mm fragmentation rounds, active missiles defenses etc.) and some of these anti-air/anti-projectile vehicles will also happen to be MBT or IFV hunters.


This is a fairly incredible leap of logic.