Louis Peyret, Peyret-Mauboussin and Mauboussin Designations (no Castel!)

hesham said:

Thank you my dear Caravellarella very much;

and the projects of this company is such a mystery.

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Poor Hesham; don't worry. This list might help; it's from the same article but I didn't originally include it as many aren't "projects"......

Best, Terry (Caravellarella)

Thank you my dear Caravellarella,

and I know those Mauboussin aircraft,except M.130 and FM.260.

Re: Avions Mauboussin M Designations

Apophenia said:

M.201 - 1939 single-seat trainer, 1 x 150 hp Régnier 4Eo, 7.28 m span, 1 built

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The M.201 was not completed, and the unfinished aircraft possibly became the sole M.202. (Source: Avions no.164, article by M. Siffre.)

Thanks for that c460. A note has been added under M.201.

From Aviation magazine 15/9/1967.

Thanks hesham. Terry (Caravellarella) posted that list back in 2011 and it proved most handy!

I've corrected and updated my 'PM'/'M' designation list.

BTW: I had an M 120/34 photo link which refused to display. I'll try again here ...

Apophenia said:

PM XII - 1931 low-winged sports a/c, same as M 112 (qv)
- PM XII: Tandem 2-seater using PM XI cantilever wing
- PM XII: 1 x 45 hp Salmson 9Adb 9-cyl, span 11.75 m
-- aka Mauboussin Zodiac XII (after the Puteaux builder)

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What about Mauboussin Zodiac XVII (17) ?.

hesham said:

What about Mauboussin Zodiac XVII (17) ?.

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If you have a source for a 'Peyret-Mauboussin XVII', then spit it out ...

Apophenia said:

If you have a source for a 'Peyret-Mauboussin XVII', then spit it out ...

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hesham said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_(M–Ma)

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Well, first of all, a simple Wikipedia list is very far from a document source, and often not reliable.
It is foolish and very risky to jump to such conclusions from a simple, undocumented mention.
Secondly, the type is listed as "Mauboussin-Zodiac 17" (not XVII), and nowhere do we see any involvement of Peyret in it.

Okay, so, as Stargazer notes, there was no "Mauboussin Zodiac XVII". The Wiki page on the M120 claims (without giving a source) that the "Mauboussin-Zodiac 17 [was the] Designation for Zodiac produced M.120 aircraft". (Actually, Flight used the simpler 'Zodiac 17'.)

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauboussin_M.120

In any case, whether "Mauboussin-Zodiac 17" or just "Zodiac 17", this was addressed directly above my M120 listing. So what, exactly, was the nature of your original question, hesham?

Designations of Avions Pierre Mauboussin and Peyret-Mauboussin

Louis Augustin Peyret

Pierre Mauboussin's designation sequence springs from his earlier association with pioneer designer, Ing Louis Peyret (ex-Blériot designer, ex-Morane Saulnier research chief, and tandem-wing monoplane pioneer). Those Peyret-Mauboussin 'PM' designation numbers overlap with Avions Mauboisson 'M' numbers (listed together in the next post).

Because Peyret's tandem-winged 'Le Taupin' is also listed as the Peyret VI, it is tempting to suggest that the Peyret-Mauboussin PM sequence follows on from an earlier Peyret series. Unfortunately, there's little sign of such a numbering system.

Peyret gave names to his earlier design but, aside from the Peyret VI and one Flight reference to a 'PM 4' (actually a typo for the PM X, see next post), there is no obvious aircraft numbering (although Peyret's airfoil designs were numbered). Peyret was associated with numerous gliders (eg: Georges Abrial) and tandem-wing projects (eg: with Louis Paulhan and the Albessard Triavion). Only projects with Peyret's name firmly attached are listed immediately below:

Early Louis Peyret Aircraft Names

Peyret Alérion - 1922 single-seat tandem-wing glider, 6.6m span (main), 2 built
-- aka Peyret Tandem (orig. name), Alérion Tandem, or simply the Planeur Peyret
- Alérion n° 1: Maneyrol set duration record (3h22), Itford Hill, 21 Oct 1922
- Alérion n° 2: written-off by Lt. Le Petit near Biskra, Algeria, 12 Feb 1923
-- Vieilles Toiles et Planeurs Modernes - Peyret Alérion Tandem - photos/3 views
-- http://claudel.dopp.free.fr/Les_planeurs/Descriptions_planeurs/Peyret_Alerion/Peyret_Alerion.htm
-- NB: Alérion was a footless and beakless heraldic bird (usually an eagle)
-- Medieval bestiaries said only two Alérions exist at a time -- n° 1 & n° 2

Peyret - (Project) 1923 powered Alérion fitted with 7 hp engine (type unidentified)
-- Flight 19 Apr 1923 announced plans for a flight from Vauville to Jersey
-- Flight 19 Apr 1923, Light 'Plane and Glider Notes http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923 - 0215.html

Peyret Avionette - 1922-23 moto-aviette (very light a/c) with "moteur auxiliaire"
- Avionette: 1 x nose-mounted 16 hp air-cooled upright inline 4-cyl Sergant A
-- L'avionnette Louis Peyret, by J. Serryer, Les Ailes, 04/10/1923, n° 120, p.25
- Avionette: aka Peyret Monoplan, experimental monoplane of conventional layout
- Wings folded up on approach, Lympne trials 13 Oct 1923, Alexis Maneyrol killed
-- Flight 18 Oct 1923, The Light 'Plane Meeting at Lympne - Avionette photos
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200643.html
-- j2mcl Planeurs http://www.j2mcl-planeurs.net/dbj2mcl/planeurs-machines/planeur-fiche_0int.php/?code=2572

Peyret-le Prieur Hydroplan - 1924 light biplane seaplane trainer, 1 x engine
- Hydroplan: designed for Yves le Prieur (of aerial rocket & aqualung design fame)
-- Hydroplan engine: 1st trials 16 hp 4-cyl Sergant, then repl. by 45 hp Anzani 6
-- Flight 4 Sept 1924 - Light 'Plane and Glider Notes
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1924/1924 - 0554.html
-- L'hydravion Louis Peyret, biplan à moteur Sergant 16 CV, by J. Serryer, Les Ailes, 14/08/1924, n° 165, p.25

Peyret-Abrial A-2: 1925 Vautour (Vulture) wooden single-seat glider, 6.25m span
- A-2 Vautour: glider designed by Georges Abrial, 1 built by Ateliers Peyret

Peyret-Abrial A-5: 1928 Rapace (Raptor) single-seat sailplane, aka Abrial A-5, 16m span
- A-5: design by Georges Abrial, assist. by Peyret and Prof. Toussaint, 1 built

Peyret VI - 1930 Taupin 2-seat tandem-wing, 1 x 50hp Beaussier, 7.2m span*
-- Taupin was essentially an enlarged, powered deriv. of the Alérion glider
-- Flight 5 Sept 1946 - Private Flying in France
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1946/1946 - 1726.html
-- * Sailplane & Glider 31 Mar 1933 says 8.4m main and 6.5m rear wing spans
- SFCA-Peyret Taupin: 1936-37 (flown 1937) amateur-construction Peyret VI
-- SFCA-Peyret aka "Le Taupin", 1 x 30 hp flat-2 cylinder Mengin 2 A1*
-- * Also flown with 30 hp ABC Scorpion horizontally-opposed 2-cylinder

Peyret (??)- (Project) 19(??) 2-seat tandem, low-wing in front, high-wing behind
-- NB: Lay-out reappears on Mauboussin's 1936 M.40 Hémiptère research a/c
-- Sailplane & Glider vol.4 no.6 31 March 1933
-- http://www.lakesgc.co.uk/mainwebpages/Sailplane%20&%20Glider%201930%20-%201955/volume%204%20No.%206%20Mar%2031%201933.pdf

Peyret-Nessler Libellule - 1928 single-seat* parasol lightplane, 1 x 12hp Salmson 3-cyl
- Libellule: 1 built (F-AISQ), * but often flown with Mde Eric Nessler as passenger
-- NB: 'Libellule' also name of the Peyret-designed, tandem-winged 1907 Blériot VI

Peyret-Mauboussin Helicoplane - (Project) 1929 helicoplane or autogyro

NB: Georges Abrial's 1932 AIR 5 2-seat training glider design was to be built by Ateliers Peyret but this plan ended with Louis Peyret's death in 1933. It was eventually built by Arsenal as the AIR 50.
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Peyret-Mauboussin and Avions Mauboussin Aircraft Designations

Avions Mauboussin

After his separation from Peyret, Mauboussin redesignated his designs in a sequence that derives the Peyret-Mauboussin designations. The PM XI and PM XII were redesignated as M.111 and M.112 (although still reported as 'M.11' and 'M.12' in the early 1930s).

Production aircraft designations were in a more typically French pattern. The production PM XII/M.12 became the M.120 with major developments following as M.121-M.129. Inititially, M.120 developments received suffix numbers based on their year of original (eg: the M.120/37 project of 1937 which led to the production M.123 Corsaire).

According to Flight (30 Sept 1943), after the Armistice the Mauboussin plant was engaged in glider production. But of what type and for whom? Did they receive Mauboussin designations?

Anomolies: The M 40 Hémiptère research aircraft of 1936 fits no pattern (I've placed it, in the French pattern, just before the M 400). And the Rouleur - a single-seat lightplane design with tricycle u/c - seems to have no number at all. I have listed the FM 260 Elite as the 'M 260' for simplicity. (That 'FM' doesn't seem to fit the Mauboussin or Fouga designation patterns. I presume that 'FM' refers to 'Fouga-Mauboussin' but have no proof.)

Undesignated (or unknown designation) types: The 1929 Peyret-Mauboussin Helicoplane project was mentioned in the first post, above. Another series of studies which lack (known) designations are the anneau (or ducted-propeller) studies by Pierre Mauboussin and Jean Kiriloff. For convenience, I'll place these études directly below.

Mauboussin-Kiriloff ducted-propeller projects
- Canard: Low-wing; 'V' canard on ext. nose
-- Also, a twin-boom, twin-anneau vers.
- Twin-boom: High-wing; single, large duct
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mauboussin-kiriloff-canard-aircraft-projects.31624/

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Peyret-Mauboussin 'PM' and Avions Mauboussin 'M' Designations

PM X - 1928 high-wing cantilever monoplane lightplane
- PM X: Single-seat cabin monoplane; elliptical wings, x 1
- PM X: 1 x 34 hp ABC Scorpion II HO2; span 10.00 m
-- aka 'PM 4', Mauboussin M 10; Peyret-Mauboussin M.10
-- Primarily wooden construction; held several FAI records
- PMH X bis: 1930 PM X with twin floats, reg. as F-AJGG
-- PMH X bis held the Class C altitude record of 3,461 m
-- aka M 10 bis or H 10 (Wiki)
-- Flight XXI (7) misidentified as "Mauboussin P.M.4"
-- 'P.M.4' 3v: http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/FT/FT1929/02/294-1.jpg
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/pm10.html

PM XI - 1928 high-wing cantilever monoplane lightplane
- PM XI: 2-seat cabin aircraft; straight-tapered wings, x 2*
- PM XI: 1 x 40 hp Salmson 9 Ad 9-cyl. radial, span 11.75 m
-- * PM XI N° 1 (F-AJUL) and PM XI N° 2 (F-AKFD)
-- Conceptually, the PM XI was simply an enlarged PM X
-- 1 x PM XI re-engined to become M 110/PM 110 (qv)
-- 'M XI' 3v: http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/FT/FT1932/01/49-1.jpg
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_d8efac_imgp2402.JPG

PM XII - 1931 low-winged sports a/c, same as M 112 (qv)
- PM XII: Tandem 2-seater using PM XI cantilever wing
- PM XII: 1 x 45 hp Salmson 9Adb 9-cyl.; span 11.75 m
-- aka Mauboussin Zodiac XII (after the Puteaux builder)

M 110 - 1932 2-seat high-wing monoplane cabin tourer
- M 110: Re-engined 1931 Peyret-Mauboussin PM XI; x 1
- M 110: 1 x 60 hp Salmson 9Adr 9-cylinder; span 11.75 m
-- aka PM 110, marketed as the 'Mauboussin PM 110'

M 111 - 1932 single-seat high-wing monoplane cabin tourer
- M 111: Long-range distance racer derivative of M 110
- M 111: 1 x 45 hp Salmson 9Adb 9-cylinder; span 11.75 m
-- Used by René Lefèvre for Dec 1932 Orly-to-Saigon flight

M 112 - 1932 low-winged sports a/c; same as PM XII (qv)
- M 112: Tandem 2-seater using PM XI cantilever wing
- M 112: 1 x 45 hp Salmson 9Adb 9-cyl.; span 11.75 m
-- Prototype for Zodiac-built M 120 Corsaire series
-- NB: Zodiac also built the prototype PM XII/M 112
-- Prototype rebuilt by Breguet as their M 120/34 N° 113
-- AMI lists M 112 as Corsaire Minor

M 17? - (??) Most likely as a typo for Zodiac-built M 120
-- Flight lists "Mauboussin-Zodiac 17"*
-- * Mentioned as entered in 1933 Angers 12-hour contest
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1933/1933 - 0157.html
-- NB: Flight photo of "17" (below) appears ident. to M 120 with cowling
-- 'Zodiac 17' photo: Flight 20 July 1933: The Angers "12 Hour Contest"
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1933/1933 - 0154.html

M 120 - 1932 low-wing monoplane trainer/tourer a/c; 116 x built
- M 120: Corsaire, prod'n model M 112; wooden construction
- M 120: 1 x 60 hp Salmson 9Adr 9-cyl. radial; span 11.75 m
- M 120/32: 1932 Zodiac-built M 120; 3 built (N° 104, 106,* 109)
-- * NB: N° 106 subsequently rebuilt by Brequet as an M 120/34
- M 120/34: Breguet-built x 10 (N° 111-121); 113 was rebuilt M 112
-- NB: count incl. N° 113 but not N° 106 (which was rebuilt 120/32)
- M 120/37: (Project) Trainer; became the M 123 Corsaire (qv)

M 121 - 1935 Corsaire Major training & touring aircraft; 4 x built
- M 121 : M 120 Corsaire derivative with an alternative engine*
- M 121 : 1 x 75 hp Pobjoy R; aka M 121-35, 4 built (incl. M 121P)
- M 121P: Corsaire Major with uprated engine; x 1 (F-AMHS)
-- * Some sources list supercharged Salmson 9 as M 121 powerplant

M 122 - 1935 Corsaire Major record aircraft for Maryse Hilz; x 1
- M 122: 1 x 75 hp Salmson 9Aers 9-cyl radial;* span 11.75 m
-- * 3-bladed fixed-pitch wooden prop (also on some M 120s)
-- Women's light a/c altitude record (7338 m); 24 Sept 1935

M 123 - 1937 2-seat tandem low-wing trainer; open cockpit; x 65
- M 123 : M 120 variant as a trainer for the Aviation Populaire
- M 123 : 1 x 60 hp Salmson 9Adr 9-cyl. radial; span 11.75 m
-- Stemmed from 1936 Fouga contract for Aviation Populaire [1]
-- M 123 : Corsaire, primarily wooden construction as per M 120
- M 123C: Re-engined M 129/48 (qv) F-PJKQ w/ Continental HO4
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_62244c_f-pcek.jpg
- M 123M: (Project) Pre-WW2 plan to install 1 x 70 hp Minié HO4
- M 123M: Post-WW2 conversions with 75 hp Minié 4.DC.32; canopy
-- In both pre-war project and post-war aircraft, 'M' is for 'Minié'
-- 1954, Gilbert Pollono re-eng. M 123M; 60 hp geared Salmson 9Adr
-- 1958, Pollono re-eng. with 75 hp Régnier; M 123M becoming M 125
-- 19??, M 123M F-BCEP re-eng., Continental; by Simon Glotin, Nates
-- 1959, M 123M re-eng. w/ 105 hp Hirth; by Pierre Grenet of Beynes
-- For Grenet conversion see PG-2 Bison below & listed under M 126
- M 123R: (Project) 60 hp Régnier 4 cylinder; not built (see M-129-48)
- M 123T: (Project) 60 hp Train 6T 6-cylinder inline; not built
-- Metalair 1: 195? one-off M 123M modification, F-PCNX, x 1
-- Metalair 1 had inline engine, open cockpits, & metal ... (??)
-- https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/8/8/3/1874388.jpg?v=v40
-- Grenet PG-2 Bison: Conv. to M 123; originally M 126 N° 182
-- http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/BrianLloyd/F-PBHQmarmande130809.jpg

M 124 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development; first postwar version
- M 124: 1 x 60 hp Aster 4A inline 4-cylinder;* span 11.75 m, x 1
- * Aviastar lists M 124 engine as being an 85 hp Salmson 5Ap
-- http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/mauboussin_m-120.php
- * Flight says 100 hp Aster engine (licenced Walter Mikron)
-- Flight 5 Sept 1946 - Private Flying France
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1946/1946 - 1729.html

M 125 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development; second postwar version
- M 125 : 1 x 60 hp Régnier 4Jo inline 4-cylinder; span 10.35 m; x 5
- M 125 : Differed from M 123 in powerplant and shorter wingspan
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_054a2a_f-pces.jpg
- M 125C: N° 208, currently F-PBHC; no other details (??)
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_fa1acc_f-pbhc.jpg

M 126 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development, third postwar version
- M 126: 1 x 80 hp Salmson 5Ap 5-cylinder radial; span 10.35 m; x 1
- M 126: As per M 125 except for powerplant (??)
-- Grenet PG-2 Bison: Pierre Grenet mod. M 126 N° 182; F-PBHQ*
-- Grenet PG-2 Bison: 1 x 105 hp Hirth inline engine (HM 500?)
-- * M 126 N° 182 conv. to Grenet N° 01 then converted to M 123
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_dbba27_f-pbhq.jpg

M 127 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development; Fouga-built variant
- M 127: 1 x 95 hp Régnier 4Eo inline 4-cyl, span (??) m;* x 2
-- * Unclear on whether Fouga retained full span or 10.35 m (??)

M 128 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development; Fouga-built variant
- M 128: Sportsplane vers. of M 124, open cockpit, diff. engine
- M 128: 1 x 95 hp Mathis G.4G flat 4-cylinder,* span 11.75 m, x 1
-- * Aviastar lists 100 hp Mathis G.4R engine for the M 128**
-- ** Taken from Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft

M 129 - 1939 sportsplane, inline equivalent to M 123M; x 29
- M 129 : Airframe not completed until 1944; open cockpit
- M 129 : 1 x 60 hp Régnier R.4J 01 4 cylinder; span 11.75 m
-- M 129: N° 191, F-BBSK
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_985e40_f-bbsk.jpg
- M 129-48: Postwar production by Fouga; no canopy fitted
- M 129-48: 1 x 75 hp* Minié 4Do flat 4-cylinder; span 11.75 m
- * Aviastar lists the Minié 4Do output as only being 70 hp
-- M 129 (F-PJKQ) re-engined with Continental HO4 engine

M 130 - (Project) 1933 low-winged single-seat sports a/c
- M 130: Single-seat lightplane M 112 derivative; unbuilt
- M 130: 1 x 75 hp Pobjoy R 7-cylinder radial; span 10.05 m
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/projects-by-pierre-mauboussin-1927-1940.3902/#post-121277

M 131 - M 159 - (??)

M 160 - (Project) 1938 Vanneau 2-seat training aircraft
- M 160: Low-wing; side-by-side seating; fixed main u/c
- M 160: 1 x 60 hp Régnier 4Do inline 4-cyl.; span 10.5 m
- M 160: To a 1937 Aviation Populaire trainer requirement
-- NB: Vanneau is the French for 'Plover', remained unbuilt
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/projects-by-pierre-mauboussin-1927-1940.3902/#post-234708

M 161 - M 189 - (??)

M 190 - (Project) 1938 Busard, 2-seat para-military trainer
- MH 190: (Project) 1937 Adour twin-float seaplane; unbuilt
-- Named after place of design; Aire-sur-l'Adour in SW France
-- 'MH' for Mauboussin Hydro; predated M 190 landplane
- M 190 : Low-wing; side-by-side seating; spatted main u/c
- M 190 : 1 x 90 hp Régnier 4Eo inline 4-cylinder; span 11.20 m
- M 190 : Refined, more powerful M 160 Vanneau development
- M 190: To a 1937 Aviation Populaire trainer requirement
-- NB: Busard is the French for 'Harrier', none built
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/projects-by-pierre-mauboussin-1927-1940.3902/#post-264561

M 191 - M 199 - (??)

M 200 - 1939 single-seat low-wing monoplane racing a/c, x 1
- M 200: Encl. cockpit set near trailing edge, spatted main gear
- M 200: 1 x 115-120 hp* Régnier 4Eohp 4-cylinder; span 7.28 m
- M 200: Set FAI record 255 km/h over 1000 km on 7 May 1939
-- Sole M 200 prototype (F-AROP) was built by Fouga
-- * Some sources list engine power as high as 129 hp

M 201 - 1939 single-seat low-wing monoplane trainer, x 1*
- M 201: Military advanced trainer developed from M 200
- M 201: 1 x 150 hp Régnier 4Eo inline 4-cyl.; span 7.28 m
-- * Construction was well advanced but never completed
-- * Unfinished airframe may have been the basis for M 202
-- http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13993.msg187167.html#msg187167

M 202 - 1941* single-seat low-wing monoplane trainer; x 1
- M 202: Lower-powered version of M 200** & M 201 types
- M 202: 1 x 95 hp Régnier 4Eo inline 4-cylinder; span 7.28 m
-- * Some source say 1939, prob. the construction start date
-- ** Other than canopies, M 200 and M202 look identical
-- ** Key difference - M 202 engine lacked a supercharger
-- http://pletav.free.fr/album/galeriessmall/gal2/poursite10.jpg
-- Flight 30 Sept 1943, The French Aircraft Industry 3 view drawing
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1943/1943 - 2361.html
-- NB: Flight lists M 202 powerplant as a "950 h.p. (sic) Regnier"
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_9845fa_mauboussin-202.jpg

M 203 - M 259 - (??)

M 260 - (Project) 1937 Elite twin-engine monoplane executive a/c
- M 260: Derivative of M 190; low-set wings; spatted main gear
- M 260: 2 x 60 hp Régnier 4Do inline 4-cylinder;* span 10.50 m
-- aka FM 260 for Fouga-Mauboussin (production designation?)
-- * Alternative powerplants were "engines américans flat four"
-- Unbuilt M 260 influenced more advanced; more powerful M 300
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/projects-by-pierre-mauboussin-1927-1940.3902/#post-121134

M 261 - M 299 - (??)

M 300 - 1939* twin-engined tandem 3-seat military trainer, x 2
- M 300: Low-winged monoplane; twin tails; retract. main gear
- M 300: 2 x 220 hp Renault 6Q10/116-cyl. inlines, span 13.50 m
-- * Constrction begun to 1943 order for 3/4-seat liaison/trainer
-- aka Fouga-Mauboussin M-300 "three-place personal plane"**
-- ** Flying Magazine, Oct 1948, pg 43, New Frenchies
-- Flight 30 Sept 1943, The French Aircraft Industry
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1943/1943 - 2361.html
-- * 2 prototypes of wooden construction finally completed in 1948
-- 3v: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/la/m300/m300-1.gif
-- http://pletav.free.fr/album/galeriessmall/gal2/poursite2.jpg

M 40 - 1936 Hémiptère single-seat research aircraft, x 1
- M 40: Tandem wing, endplate fins on high-mounted rear wing
- M 40: 1 x 40 hp Train 4A tractor engine; span (fwd wing) 7.00 m
- M 40: N° 01 prototype (F-AOYZ); influenced by Peyret project
-- Flight 17 Sept 1936; Reviving the Tandem; details and photo
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1936/1936 - 2533.html
- M 40 version hydro: (Project) pusher floatplane derivative
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mauboussin-type-40-hémiptère.10558/

M 400 - (Project) 1939 twin-engined biplane light transport*
- M 400: Oval-section fuselage; Hurel Dubois-type wings**
-- * Lack of fuselage side windows suggests research a/c
-- ** Wings unstaggered with single strutted twin bays
- M 400: 2 x 350 hp Béarn (CMB) 6B 6-cyl.; 22.10 m span
-- Pushers in lower pods, u/c retracted rewards into pods
-- Some sources list 2 x 350 hp Béarn '2BE 6 DO' (??)
-- Flight 30 Sept 1943, The French Aircraft Industry
-- http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1943/1943 - 2361.html

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[1] In 1936, railcar builder Usines Fouga bought the exclusive production rights for Mauboussin aircraft designs - Mauboussin becoming Directeur of the Département Aviation of the Societe des Etablissements Fouga (later Société Aéronautique Fouga). Fouga built 60 x M 123 towards their Aviation Populaire contract and then developed civil versions after WW2.

Apophenia said:

According to Flight (30 Sept 1943), after the Armistice the Mauboussin plant was engaged in glider production. But of what type and for whom? Did they receive Mauboussin designations?

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After the Armistice, Mauboussin was already in active association with Castello, producing former Castel types under the Castel-Mauboussin name: these were the C.30 S, C.310 P and C.311 P. However, these remain Castel types first and foremost, with Mauboussin probably bringing some of his technical expertise on the table to improve the basic designs for production.

Apophenia said:

Anomolies: The M 40 Hémiptère research aircraft of 1936 fits no pattern (I've placed it, in the French pattern, just before the M 400). And the Rouleur - a single-seat lightplane design with tricycle u/c - seems to have no number at all. I have listed the FM 260 Elite as the 'M 260' for simplicity. (That 'FM' doesn't seem to fit the Mauboussin or Fouga designation patterns. I presume that 'FM' refers to 'Fouga-Mauboussin' but have no proof.)

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M.40 is weird indeed. When you look at the chronology, it would have made sense for it to be "M.140" instead, since it came after the M.130 and before the M.160. Also, keeping that chronology in mind, it would be logical for the Rouleur to be "M.150", although there is nothing to indicate such a designation ever existed. As for "FM" meaning "Fouga-Mauboussin", although Fouga may have helped build the prototype, I have found no evidence of it indeed. Even weirder, the M.300, which WAS a Fouga-built type, didn't carry the "F" letter prefix!

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Undesignated (or unknown designation) types: The 1929 Peyret-Mauboussin Helicoplane project was mentioned in the first post, above. Another series of studies which lack (known) designations are the anneau (or ducted-propeller) studies by Pierre Mauboussin and Jean Kiriloff. For convenience, I'll place these études directly below.

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The Helicoplane was a Peyret design, I don't think Mauboussin was involved in it. As for the Mauboussin-Kiriloff projects, the link you provide only covers Patent N° 986.603 (the canard pusher, filed in 1943, granted in 1951) and a twin-boom pusher. There was however, another project under Patent N° 991.121* (filed in 1944, granted in 1951) for a roadable aircraft with wheel train retractable in flight.
* and not "991.221" as AMI wrongly stated

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AMI lists M 112 as Corsaire Minor

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Yes, I have it like that in my list. AMI rarely made mistakes.
Also, all six M.112 types were apparently redesignated as plain M.12.

Apophenia said:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1933/1933 - 0157.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1933/1933 - 0154.html

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Have you checked your links? The Flight archives are no longer online, unfortunately.

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M 120/37: (Project) Trainer; became the M 123 Corsaire (qv)

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I also found the designation "M.120 H" for a 1934 project, but I don't know if it's kosher...

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Some sources list supercharged Salmson 9 as M 121 powerplant

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Which sources? All I could find was the Pobjoy R.

Apophenia said:

M 122 - 1935 Corsaire Major record aircraft for Maryse Hilz; x 1

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I have the designation M.122/34, but perhaps the "34" was dropped when it became obvious that the type wouldn't be ready until 1935?

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- M 123C: Re-engined M 129/48 (qv) F-PJKQ w/ Continental HO4
- M 123M: (Project) Pre-WW2 plan to install 1 x 70 hp Minié HO4
- M 123M: Post-WW2 conversions with 75 hp Minié 4.DC.32; canopy

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Didn't you find it strange that both the Continental and Minié types would have the same designation?
It was actually a Minié 4 DO (source: AMI). Also, AMI claims that the postwar Minié-powered examples were actually the M.129 (see below).

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- M 123T: (Project) 60 hp Train 6T 6-cylinder inline; not built

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The M.123 T should have been an aerobatic version.

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- M 123R: (Project) 60 hp Régnier 4 cylinder; not built (see M-129-48)

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It was a Régnier 4 DO (again, AMI as my source).

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-- Metalair 1: 195? one-off M 123M modification, F-PCNX, x 1

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This was in 1957. It was the former n° 178 (now as n° 1), used a Régnier 4 JO engine, and was registered as F-PCNX.

Apophenia said:

M 124 - 1946 M 123 Corsaire development; first postwar version
- M 124: 1 x 60 hp Aster 4A inline 4-cylinder;* span 11.75 m, x 1
- * Aviastar lists M 124 engine as being an 85 hp Salmson 5Ap

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The M.124 was actually planned in 1937 but only built after the war. It was registered F-BAOF. And yes, I've also found that annoying mistake over the engine type , but since the Salmson 5Ap was used on the M.126, it makes little sense that it could have used on the M.124 too.

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- M 125C: N° 208, currently F-PBHC; no other details (??)
-- http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/12/64/36/20150109/ob_fa1acc_f-pbhc.jpg

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I did not have that one in my list, but it's safe to assume it is a later conversion with a Continental engine.

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-- Grenet PG-2 Bison: Conv. to M 123; originally M 126 N° 182
-- http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/BrianLloyd/F-PBHQmarmande130809.jpg

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The Bison was designated PG.02, not "PG.2" as several sites claim.
It used a 105 hp Hirth 504A-2 engine, had clipped wings and a canopy.
It was indeed registered as F-PBHQ ("P" indicating amateur construction); its former registration appearing in my list as "F-BBHQ" ("B" indicating official production) but I wasn't able to substantiate that one). Note that F-PBHQ still exists, but it is now an M.123 C: https://foxalphazoulou.overblog.com/2015/01/les-avions-mauboussin-survivants.html

Also, note that variants M.125 to 128 were studied in 1939 but could only be produced after the war. The M.128 was specifically a trainer version.

Apophenia said:

M 129 - 1939 sportsplane, inline equivalent to M 123M; x 29
- M 129 : Airframe not completed until 1944; open cockpit
- M 129 : 1 x 60 hp Régnier R.4J 01 4 cylinder; span 11.75 m
- M 129-48: 1 x 75 hp* Minié 4Do flat 4-cylinder; span 11.75 m

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That is NOT what AMI claims. According to them (and they should have known, since it was still fairly recent at the time), the Minié 4 DO-powered aircraft received the M.129 designation before the war (and if you think of it, it DOES make sense, since the Régnier 4 JO version was already the M.125). Interestingly, AMI doesn't mention a distinct M.129/48 version either. I guess we'll have to dig further into the matter to be sure.
Also, M.129 production, which you claim was 29 examples, is given as only 23 by AMI (mental confusion between 129 and 29 while typing? or do you have a source for the 29?)
Finally, Fouga production didn't start with the M.129/48; indeed, n°191 [F-BBSK] was produced in 1944 by Fouga, too

Apophenia said:

M 130 - (Project) 1933 low-winged single-seat sports a/c

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Not related to the M.130 design, there was a Mauboussin-Beaujard MB.130 produced circa 1961.
Registered F-PCIZ (c/n 01) it was former M.129/48 n° 226 with a different engine (possibly Régnier) and probably other modifications. It was painted blue-white-red (the French colors) but its wings were removed after years of flying, and given to a 9/10th-scale replica of the Dewoitine D.510, which unfortunately crashed fatally later on.

According to Pierre Gaillard, 106 distinct Corsaires were built.

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M 200 - 1939 single-seat low-wing monoplane racing a/c, x 1

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Although most sources claim there was only one M.200, two airframes were built, the second (unfinished) one later becoming the M.202.

Apophenia said:

M 201 - 1939 single-seat low-wing monoplane trainer, x 1*
-- * Construction was well advanced but never completed
-- * Unfinished airframe may have been the basis for M 202

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I disagree. The sole M.201 was the first M.200 [F-AROP]. According to AMI, its modified supercharger gave 150 hp instead of 129 for the M.200.

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M 202 - 1941* single-seat low-wing monoplane trainer; x 1
-- * Some source say 1939, prob. the construction start date

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Accordng to AMI, the M.202 (an M.200/201 without the supercharger) was studied in 1939 and built in 1941. Again, I have no reason to doubt Jean Liron's expert research.

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M 260 - (Project) 1937 Elite twin-engine monoplane executive a/c
-- Unbuilt M 260 influenced more advanced; more powerful M 300
M 300 - 1939* twin-engined tandem 3-seat military trainer, x 2

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No, the M.260 was to be a three-seater, but the M.300 was a six-seater.

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M 40 - 1936 Hémiptère single-seat research aircraft, x 1
- M 40 version hydro: (Project) pusher floatplane derivative

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There doesn't seem to be any indication that the hydro version was also designated M.40.
Besides, the mention that it was "a version of the M.40", found in some publications, is preposterous, considering how totally different the two designs were.

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M 400 - (Project) 1939 twin-engined biplane light transport*
-- * Lack of fuselage side windows suggests research a/c
- M 400: 2 x 350 hp Béarn (CMB) 6B 6-cyl.; 22.10 m span
-- Some sources list 2 x 350 hp Béarn '2BE 6 DO' (??)

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The lack of fuselage side-windows is simply the consequence of it being a pure cargo transport.
The engine version given by AMI is as follows: "2 BE 6 DO 9", which simply indicates "two Béarn 6 DO 9", but was apparently misinterpreted/mistranscribed by someone along the way.

That's all! (for now)

I've done Mauboussin, but I forgot Peyret! So here goes:

Apophenia said:

Because Peyret's tandem-winged 'Le Taupin' is also listed as the Peyret VI, it is tempting to suggest that the Peyret-Mauboussin PM sequence follows on from an earlier Peyret series. Unfortunately, there's little sign of such a numbering system.

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There isn't indeed. The most logical explanation is that the number "VI" used the numbering system carried over from Nessler. Indeed, the Peyret-Nessler IV Libellule is a modification of the Nessler N.4 design, and there you have it:

• Nessler N.1 Aérovoilier (1916)
• Nessler N.2 (1922)
• Nessler N.3 (1923)
• Nessler N.4 (1925)

And if you wonder why there is no number V, well... there may have been: a two-seat version of the Peyret-Nessler powered by an 18 hp engine was planned, but not built. I'm pretty sure this must have been it.

That being said, there is another possibility: Peyret worked with Georges Abrial on four designs, numbered A.2 to A.5. So, you see, with A.5 being a 1928 type and the Peyret VI being from 1929, perhaps Peyret took up the numbering from there? (I'm still more inclined to believe the Nessler hypothesis, though, because the Type VI is actually called a Peyret-Nessler VI).

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Peyret Alérion - 1922 single-seat tandem-wing glider, 6.6m span (main), 2 built

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Is this a sure fact? I haven't been able to identify two distinct Alérions, only the one built by Morane-Saulnier for Peyret.

Apophenia said:

Peyret-Abrial A-2: 1925 Vautour (Vulture) wooden single-seat glider, 6.25m span
- A-2 Vautour: glider designed by Georges Abrial, 1 built by Ateliers Peyret
Peyret-Abrial A-5: 1928 Rapace (Raptor) single-seat sailplane, aka Abrial A-5, 16m span
- A-5: design by Georges Abrial, assist. by Peyret and Prof. Toussaint, 1 built

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Your list misses out two more Peyret-Abrial types:

• Peyret-Abrial A.3 Oricou, a 1927 tandem-two-seater high-wing tourism aircraft (motor-glider?) with open cockpit, powered by a 40 hp Salmson 9Ad engine.
• Peyret-Abrial A.4, a sports glider which I know NOTHING about!

Apophenia said:

Peyret VI - 1930 Taupin 2-seat tandem-wing, 1 x 50hp Beaussier, 7.2m span*
-- SFCA-Peyret aka "Le Taupin", 1 x 30 hp flat-2 cylinder Mengin 2 A1*

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A LOT of mistakes here. The Peyret VI and the Taupin were related but NOT the same thing.
Here is the breakdown of versions:

• Peyret-Nessler VI (1929), a high-wing tourism aircraft with 28 hp ABC Scorpion engine, produced just before Peyret's death. This was NOT called "Taupin" at all. Just a single prototype built, apparently not registered.
• Peyret Le Taupin (1936), a development of the "VI" with 28 hp Poinsard B engine, actually an SFCA product called "Peyret" as a tribute. A single prototype, not registered initially.
• Peyret Le Taupin (Le Taupin 3/2 after the 5/2 version came out), the 1936 production version with 32 hp Mengin 2A-01 engine. 48 were produced, including the former n°1 prototype (now as n°2), registered as F-AOJU, followed by F-AONO (n°3), etc. It is worthy to mention that the type was also initially tested with a 32 hp 2-cylinder Saroléa-Herstal engine. I do not know where you got the 30 hp Mengin 2A1 from, but it's very possible that this type was also tested on the prototype. Same for the 50 hp Beaussier. I'm willing to amend my list if you can provide sources!
• Peyret Le Taupin 5/2 (1937), a more powerful version with a 90 hp Régnier 4D-2 engine (but first tested with a 6-cylinder Train). Only four were built [F-APAC, F-APAP?, F-AZBG, F-BAIA].

Apophenia said:

Peyret (??)- (Project) 19(??) 2-seat tandem, low-wing in front, high-wing behind

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I find your link pretty inconclusive, I'm afraid, given the mediocre quality of the artwork. In my opinion, the image just describes the Peyret-Nessler VI prototype.

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Peyret-Nessler Libellule- 1928 single-seat* parasol lightplane, 1 x 12hp Salmson 3-cyl

- Libellule: 1 built (F-AISQ), * but often flown with Mde Eric Nessler as passenger
-- NB: 'Libellule' also name of the Peyret-designed, tandem-winged 1907 Blériot VI

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The Libellule, as I explained earlier on, was the Peyret-Nessler Type IV, the former Nessler N.4 glider motorized with a 12 hp Salmson AD 3.

Apophenia said:

Peyret-Mauboussin Helicoplane - (Project) 1929 helicoplane or autogyro

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I have this one just as a Peyret. Do you have a source for the combined name?

Apophenia said:

NB: Georges Abrial's 1932 AIR 5 2-seat training glider design was to be built by Ateliers Peyret but this plan ended with Louis Peyret's death in 1933. It was eventually built by Arsenal as the AIR 50.

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Interesting, I didn't know that.

Stargazer said:

Peyret-Abrial A.4, a sports glider which I know NOTHING about!

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It was mentioned in TU magazine,but I can't remember the issue.

Stargazer said:

I have this one just as a Peyret. Do you have a source for the combined name?

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It's Onera.

hesham said:

It was mentioned in TU magazine,but I can't remember the issue.

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Thanks, I will check the index.

hesham said:

It's Onera.

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Thanks, so Mauboussin was also involved in that project, I didn't know that.

Apologies. I was hoping that posting this thread would simplify matters. Instead, I have just bitten off something that I have no wish to chew. That said, I appreciate all the effort put in to corrections and additions.

So, is somebody else willing to take over this list and/or the Castel-Mauboussin CM designation thread?

BTW: On the Flight archives, I am well aware that links have been broken for a long time. On another thread, I asked whether I should edit them out. The response was: keep them, they give a hint as to where to look in paper copies. But, obviously, opinion is divided.

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Apologies. I was hoping that posting this thread would simplify matters. Instead, I have just bitten off something that I have no wish to chew. That said, I appreciate all the effort put in to corrections and additions.

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Don't apologize. Everyone brings something to the plate, and it's by putting all our efforts together that we can improve.

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So, is somebody else willing to take over this list and/or the Castel-Mauboussin CM designation thread?

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As we discussed a few minutes ago in private, I'm willing to take over with my own list (which does NOT invalidate yours but adds a few things and offers a different perspective, as I do not emphasize the same elements as you do — they are complementary).

Stargazer said:

Peyret-Abrial A.4, a sports glider which I know NOTHING about!

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From TU 236,

In 1927, Auger had suggested to Abrial that they study a tailless glider,
and permission was even sought from the Director of Aeronautics and
Transport to have it built at Peyret. This machine was designated the A4
and its wingspan was 16 m. Three designs were proposed: a rudder and
rudder aligned with the glider's axis; two drives and brakes at a third of
the wing in the inboard position; rudders and control surfaces at the
wingtips; and an inboard rudder with a lowered wing.
The wing of this machine strongly resembles that of the Rapace. And for
good reason, since the study of this tailless aircraft was abandoned after
Auger and Abrial's visit to the Rhôn competition and replaced by the
construction of the Rapace. It can therefore be assumed that the wing
of the A4 was used for the A5 Rapace.

PEYRET
Note that this list starts in 1922, but there were earlier aircraft designed by Peyret before WW1 (1904 Peyret-Paulhan biplane glider, 1907 Blériot Libellule tandem-wing aircraft, etc). However, I haven't yet made a complete list of them (but if anyone already has, please share it in this thread!)

• Alérion (1922) — tandem-wing single-seat performance glider, built by Morane-Saulnier (one built, possibly two)
• Alérion? (1923) — motorglider version with undetermined 7-hp engine, not built.
• Moto-Aviette (1923) — single-seat mid-wing monoplane racer with 16-hp Sergant A engine, flown at Lympne (one built)
• Hydroplan (1924) — Peyret-Le Prieur floatplane with 16-hp Sergant A engine (probably snatched from previous type), later 45-hp Anzani 6 engine. Only one built for Yves Le Prieur.
• Undetermined, unnamed monoplane glider (1925), needs confirmation.

ABRIAL-PEYRET
Note that these are included here for the sake of completion, and are actually part of the Abrial models list.

• A.2 Vautour (1923) — single-seat high-wing monoplane sports glider; one built at France-Aviation by Peyret.
• A.3 Oricou (1927) — tandem-seat tourism motorglider with a 40-hp Salmson 9Ad engine; one built.
• A.4 (1927) — tailless sports glider project, not built.
• A.5 Rapace (1928) — single-seat high-wing monoplane sports glider; one built at Letord with Auger and Peyret.

PEYRET-NESSLER
Note that Nessler designs N.1 to N.4 did not involve Peyret.

• Type IV Libellule (1927) — single-seat parasol wing sport monoplane with 12-hp Salmson AD 3 engine; this has been described in some sources as a motorized Nessler N.4 glider, but photo comparison proves they are two very distinct designs; other sources give the Type IV as having been the Nessler N.5, which seems more logical; one built [F-AISQ].
• Type V Cyret (1927) — tandem-seat version of above with 16/18-hp Salmson engine; one built? never built?
• Type VI (1929) — single-seat tandem-high-wing tourism monoplane with 28-hp ABC Scorpion engine; this was Peyret's last design, just before his passing; only one built.

PEYRET (SFCA)
Later production and development of the Peyret-Nessler Type VI by SFCA. Note that these aircraft only carried the name "Peyret" as an homage and recognition of the designer's work, but it was never the company's name.

• Le Taupin (1936) — single-seat tandem-high-wing tourism monoplane with 28-hp Poinsard B engine; one built (n° 1).
• Le Taupin (1936) — production version with 32-hp Mengin 2A-01 engine, but also tested with 32 hp two-cylinder Saroléa-Herstal. 48 built, including the prototype [F-AOJU (n° 2, ex-n° 1)]; later redesignated "Taupin 3/2" when the next version appeared, to differentiate them.
• Taupin 5/2 (1937) — side-by-side seating, more powerful version with 90-hp Régnier 4D-2 engine, but first tested with a six-cylinder Train type; only four built [F-APAC, F-APAP?, F-AZBG, F-BAIA].

PEYRET-MAUBOUSSIN
Note that these were primarily Mauboussin designs built by Peyret, although Peyret designed the wing profile on PM.XI, which was reused on PM.XII.

• Hélicoplane (1929) — undescript autogyro, wind-tunnel tested in model form at ONERA; not built.
• PM.X (1928) — single-seat enclosed high-wing tourism monoplane with 34-hp ABC Scorpion II engine; single-spar wing; one built [F-AJGG].
• PM.X (1929) — same aircraft modified for records with reinforced undercarriage; won 5 titles.
• PMH.X Bis (1930) — same aircraft modified as floatplane; won two more titles.
• PM.XI (1930) — refined side-by-side seating version of PM.X with 40-hp Salmson 9Ad; two built [F-AJUL (n° 2), F-AKFD (n° 1)].
• PM.110 (1932) — one M.11 re-engined with more powerful 60-hp Salmson 9Adr variant.
• PM.111 (1932) — same aircraft re-engined with 45-hp Salmson 9Adb for René Lefèvre's long-distance Paris-Orly—Saigon raid.
• PM.XII (1931) — tandem-seat low-wing tourism monoplane with 45-hp Salmson 9Adb engine; one built by Zodiac factory [F-ALVX]; prototype for the entire Mauboussin "Corsaire" family.
• PM.XII Bis (1931) — enclosed cockpit version similar to above (Salmson 9Adr also found); not built.

MAUBOUSSIN

• M.10 — redesignation of PM.X
• M.11 — redesignation of PM.XI
• M.12 — redesignation of PM.XII

"Corsaire" series
Note that most Corsaire types (M.120, 123, 125 and above) could be fitted with an optional enclosure, but it was rarely done.

• M.112 Corsaire Minor (1932) — tandem-seat low-wing tourism monoplane with 45-hp Salmson 9Adb, two-bladed propeller; a refined production version of PM.XII prototype; 5 built by Zodiac (+ upgraded PM.XII prototype), also found as Mauboussin-Zodiac Type 17 [F-ALVX, F-AMEU (n° 101), F-AMET, etc.] — NOTE designation error "112" as this was a variant of M.12, not M.11.
• M.120/32 Corsaire (1932) — more powerful version with 60-hp Salmson 9Adr geared engine; 3 built by Zodiac, including [F-AMHT, F-AMHU (n° 106)]; one took part in the Angers Twelve Hours race.
• M.120/34 Corsaire (1934) — second, refined production batch with three-bladed propeller; 10 produced by Breguet (+ M.130/32 F-AMHU rebuilt by Breguet to /34 standard).
• M.120 H Corsaire (1934) — variant with 60-hp Hirth HM 60 R inverted inline engine; not built.
• M.120/37 Corsaire (1937) — trainer version with 60-hp Salmson 9Adr engine; not built as such, became M.123.
• M.121 P Corsaire Major (1933) — more powerful enclosed tourism version with 75-hp Pobjoy Cataract R engine; four built, including [F-AMHS, F-AMPA (n° 110), F-ANGL]; this was redesignated as M.121/35 in 1935.
• M.122/34 Corsaire Major (1935) — similar to M.121 but with 75-hp Salmson 9Aers supercharged engine; one built, used by French popular flyer Maryse Hilsz for records [F-ANGR].
• M.123 Corsaire (1937) — school/tourism version for French Aviation Populaire; main production type of the series with 60-hp Salmson 9Adr engine; 65 produced, mostly by Fouga, even during the war [F-APQA, F-APQB, etc.].
• M.123 R Corsaire (1937) — tourism version with 60-hp Régnier 4 DO engine; not built.
• M.123 T Corsaire (1937) — aerobatic version with 60-hp Train 6 T engine; not built.
• M.123 M Corsaire (1937) — tourisme version with 70-hp Minié 4 DO engine; not built.
• M.123 M Corsaire (circa 1946) — postwar conversions of various Corsaire types with 70-hp Minié 4DC32 engine, number unknown; some with enclosed cockpit.
• M.123 C Corsaire (1946) — postwar tourism conversions with 65 hp Continental HO 4 engine; number unknown, but included [F-PJKQ (n° 189), -F-PBHQ, F-PCEK (n° 179)]; one M.123 C was a much later conversion using a 110-hp Lycoming type [F-PCIP (n° 183)], despite the lack of logic of the designation.
• Métalair Type 1 (1957) — former M.123 F-BBHT (n° 178) modified by Fouga's "Aéro-club des métallurgistes" as a trainer and fitted with a 75-hp Régnier 4 JO engine.; registered as F-PCNX (n°1).
• M.124 Corsaire (1946) — tourism version with 60 hp Aster 4A engine (licensed Walter Mikron), slightly enlarged wing profile; studied in 1937 but only one built after the war [F-BAOF].
• M.125 Corsaire (1946) — similar to M.124 but with 75-hp Régnier 4 JO engine, open cockpit; studied in 1939 but produced only after the war; 5 built, including [F-BCEL, F-BBHL, F-PCES (n° 177)]; at least one more was produced by Gilbert Pollono in 1958 by fitting a Régnier 4 JO engine on a former M.123 [F-PBHC (n° 208)].
• M.125 C Corsaire — designation found for what was probably a Continental-repowered M.125.
• M.126 Corsaire (1946) — similar to M.125 but with 80-hp Salmson 5Ap 01 engine; studied in 1939 but only one built after the war [F-BBHQ (n° 182)].
• Grenet PG.02 Bison (1960) — same aircraft reworked by Pierre Grenet clipped wings, enclosed cockpit, a 105-hp Hirth 504A-2 engine; re-registered as [F-PBHQ]; later modified to M.123 C standard.
• M.127 Corsaire (1946) — similar to M.125 but with 95-hp Régnier 4 EO engine; studied in 1939 but only two built after the war [F-BBTB/F-PBTB, F-BCIO?/PCIO].
• M.128 Corsaire (1946) — similar to M.125 but with 95-hp Mathis G.4R engine (some sources give it as "G.4G"); studied in 1939 but only one built after the war (registration unknown).
• M.129 Corsaire (1939) — similar to M.125 but with 70-hp Minié 4 DA 25 (Horus) engine; only 1939 version to be produced before and during the war, albeit in small numbers; included [F-ANGP] and [F-BBSK], the latter produced by Fouga in 1944.
• M.129/48 Corsaire (1948) — Main postwar version, a refinement of the 1939 design with 75-hp Minié 4 DA 28 (Horus) engine; apparently 23 produced, including [F-BCEY, F-BCIS] but it is unclear if that number concerns just the M.129/48 version or the entirety of the M.129 run.
• MB.130 Corsaire (1962) — one MB.129/48 modified by a Mr. Beaujard with a 105 hp inline Hirth engine [F-PCIZ (n° 01)]. Note that this was NOT an official Mauboussin designation.

Other designs

• M.130 (1933) — single-seat low-wing sport monoplane with 75-hp Pobjoy Cataract R engine, an M.112 derivative design, wind-tunnel-tested at ONERA but not built.
• M.40 Hémiptère (1936) — single-seat tandem-wing tourism monoplane with 40-hp Train 4A-00 engine; only one produced despite marketing efforts [F-AOYZ]. Why it was designated M.40 and not "M.140" is unknown.
• Le Rouleur (1936) — single-seat non-flying aircraft with 17-hp Aubier & Dunne V2 D "Channel" type engine; a "penguin" type meant for flying clubs/schools as an economical means to learn construction and flying; one example said to have been built and shown at the 1936 Air Show in Paris's Grand Palais, although lack of photos suggest it may just have been a model. Several examples said to have been produced in different clubs, although only the C.A.P.R.N. one (n° 01), presented in January 1937, is documented for now. Note that as it was not a proper aircraft, it probably didn't receive a Mauboussin designation.
• undesignated hydro (1937) — single-seat tailless type floatplane with wing-tip fins, 40-hp Salmson 9Ad pusher engine; not built; although this is frequently found under the same designation as the M.40, there is nothing to circumstanciate either the name ("Hemiptère" applying to an aircraft with two pairs of wings, which is not the case here) or the designation (considering it is a totally different design, logic would have it that it carried a totally separate model number, possibly "M.50", although there is no evidence of that).

• M.160 Vanneau (1938) — side-by-side seating enclosed low-wing school monoplane with 60-hp Régnier 4 DO engine, fixed landing gear, meant for Aviation Populaire; not built.
• MH.190 Adour (1937) —side-by-side seating enclosed low-wing trainer floatplane with 95-hp Régnier 4 EO engine; a more powerful derivative of M.160; not built.
• M.190 Busard (1938) — landplane version of MH.190 for Aviation Populaire; tested at ONERA but not built.
• M.200 (1939) — single-seat enclosed low-wing trainer with 129-hp Régnier 4 EO supercharged engine; two built [F-AROP, F-WAOI].
• M.201 (1939) — more powerful modification of first M.200 [F-AROP], with same supercharged engine type rated at 150 hp; never completed because of war, and confiscated by the Germans.

• M.202 (1941) — non-supercharged modification of second M.200, same engine type; studied in 1939 but delayed because of war [F-BAOI > F-WAOI > F-PAOI].
• FM.260 Élite (1937) — three-seat enclosed low-wing trainer/tourism aircraft with two 60-hp Régnier 4 DO engines, a twin derivative of the M.190 design; not built.
• M.300 (1948) — six-seat low-wing tourism aircraft with two 220-hp Renault 6Q10/11 engines; a 1939 project; two prototypes built by Fouga after the war.

• M.400 (1939) — three-seat biplane transport aircraft with two 350-hp Béarn 6 DO9 pusher engines; not built.
• Brevet Mauboussin-Kiriloff N° 985.498 — twin-boom design with shrouded pusher propeller; filed in 1943, granted in 1951; not built.
• Brevet Mauboussin-Kiriloff N° 986.603 — pusher "aerodyne" with shrouded propeller, tricycle gear, canards ahead of nose at tip of forward beam; filed in 1943, granted in 1951; not built.
• Brevet Mauboussin-Kiriloff N° 986.603 — similar design but and dates but twin-fuselage/propeller configuration.
• Brevet Mauboussin-Kiriloff N° 991.121 — combination aircraft/land vehicle "aerodyne" with retractable wheel set; filed in 1944, granted in 1951; not built.

After the war, Pierre Mauboussin continued his design work, alongside his new associate Robert Castello, as part of Fouga. This resulted in all the Castel-Mauboussin, then Fouga, "CM." designations, which are covered in a separate topic (I've included the CM.10 in the profiles above for design comparison with the M.400).

If I made a mistake or forgot something, please let me know and I will modify the list accordingly.

I've just added the profile views for most Peyret and Mauboussin types.
Please note that all relative sizes are approximate.
I've also added the Mauboussin-Kiriloff patent designs to the list, as I had omitted them.

Stargazer said:

M.40 is weird indeed. When you look at the chronology, it would have made sense for it to be "M.140" instead, since it came after the M.130 and before the M.160. Also, keeping that chronology in mind, it would be logical for the Rouleur to be "M.150", although there is nothing to indicate such a designation ever existed. As for "FM" meaning "Fouga-Mauboussin", although Fouga may have helped build the prototype, I have found no evidence of it indeed. Even weirder, the M.300, which WAS a Fouga-built type, didn't carry the "F" letter prefix!

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I agree with that suggesting,and unfortunately,there's nothing new
in the book, Les Avions Mauboussin.

hesham said:

I agree with that suggesting,and unfortunately,there's nothing new in the book, Les Avions Mauboussin.

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As I suggested in my latest list, upon reflection I'm of the opinion that "150" has more chance of being the tailless floatplane, considering the fact that the Rouleur was not really a proper aircraft. I'm in contact with the author of that book, so I will ask him if he knows anything about that.

Stargazer said:

As I suggested in my latest list, upon reflection I'm of the opinion that "150" has more chance of being the tailless floatplane, considering the fact that the Rouleur was not really a proper aircraft. I'm in contact with the author of that book, so I will ask him if he knows anything about that.

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Nothing new in it,believe me,except some details Infos about well
known aircraft,I have it.

hesham said:

Nothing new in it,believe me,except some details Infos about well known aircraft,I have it.

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@Stargazer was talking about being in personal contact with author Jean-Marc Olivier, not about re-reading his book.

Apophenia said:

@Stargazer was talking about being in personal contact with author Jean-Marc Olivier, not about re-reading his book.

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Now that you mention it... the author I'm in contact with is Paul Masset, who published a volume entitled "Les Avions Mauboussin" circa 2001. So not the same book!

That's the book which I meant,but it's very good to know more Infos and
details about those aircraft and projects,which mentioned here.

Stargazer said:

Now that you mention it... the author I'm in contact with is Paul Masset, who published a volume entitled "Les Avions Mauboussin" circa 2001. So not the same book!

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A few months ago, Paul Masset was kind enough to send me through the post Les Cahiers de l'Aéromodélisme N° 1, a nicely photocopied color magazine devoted to Mauboussin aircraft. As I had trouble reconnecting my scanner to my new computer, I left the magazine to rest on my dining room table all this time... and now that I can scan again, I've discovered that my cat, despite the numerous blankets and seats provided all over the house, decided a few days ago to rest his wet, muddy self right on its cover! It's annoying because page 2 had some nice photos of the PM.XII with Masset himself next to it... I'll try to obtain a new copy if possible.

What's in the publication, anyway, besides the photos?

1. A three-page account of all Mauboussin related aircraft: "PIERRE MAUBOUSSIN Orfèvre en aviation légère" (light aviation goldsmith—a hint at the famous Mauboussin jewels which are nowadays associated with the name). It contains the following items: Le PM X - Le PM XI - PARIS-MADAGASCAR - PARIS-SAÏGON - LE PM XII ET LES CORSAIRES - L'HEMIPTERE M 40 - LE ROULEUR - LE M 200 - LE M 202 - LE M 300 - LE M 400 - CASTEL-MAUBOUSSIN - LE FOUGA CYCLONE - LE CM 170 MAGISTER. These are all ten-to-thirty-line paragraphs with no illustrations.
2. A retyped version of the Les Avions Pierre Mauboussin recapitulative chart originally published in Aviation Magazine.
3. Two pages reproducing (in small format) three-view drawings originally published in Aviation Magazine: PM X, PM XI 02, PM XII, ROULEUR, M.300, M.40 HEMIPTERE, M.200, M.202, M.123 "Corsaire", M.129 48, M.400.
4. Double-sided plans drawn by Masset himself in A3 format [29,7 cm x 42 cm]: A proper plan of the PM XI (three double pages, very detailed); "peanut scale" plans for the PM X, PM XI, HEMIPTERE and CORSAIRE (two double pages for each). Although the latter are meant for model making, they are very precise and accurately reproduce each type's lines and proportions.

The information contains nothing that wasn't already known before, but the plans drawn by Masset are well worth their while!

A recap table of all designs involving Peyret:


NOTES:

• St: status (civil/military); Tp: type (aircraft, floatplane, glider, motorglider); sts: seats; cb: cabin (open/enclosed);
  Wg: wings; h: high, p: parasol, m: mid; td: tandem; md: mode (tractor/pusher); ph: photo exists; 3v: 3-view exists
• Dark gray background indicates unbuilt aircraft.
• It has come to my attention that the Peyret-Nessler Type V and the "Cyret" were one and the same aircraft. Although the Type V was described in one source as not built, the 1928-29 edition of Taschenbuch der Luftflotten provides a photo. Since the Type V was just a tandem-seat version of the Type IV, it is not clear whether the photo does show it, or if it wasn't actually built and they used the photo of a Type IV instead.

The mess that used to be Peyret/Peyret-Mauboussin/Castel/Castel-Mauboussin topics has finally been sorted out, hopefully for good this time (special thanks to Apophenia for helping me clear some unnecessary duplicate posts).

So here's what we have now:

"Early" section:

• Louis Peyret's early aircraft (before the "Taupin" and Mauboussin)
  Basically, all Peyret-related aircraft created when he was alive except Peyret-Mauboussin (Peyret, Abrial-Peyret, Peyret-Nessler)
  No Nessler or Abrial projects in this topic unless Peyret was involved.
• Mauboussin aircraft and projects (before Castel-Mauboussin)
  Everything that had the Mauboussin name to it before the association with Castel (Peyret-Mauboussin, Mauboussin)
• Mauboussin "Hémiptère" types
  This could have been merged with the above but was kept separate because of its length.
• Fouga Early (pre-Castel-Mauboussin) Projects
  Designs that were developed at Fouga in the 1930s when they hadn't yet produce aircraft of their own.
• Castel and Castel-Mauboussin gliders
  All Castello (Castel) gliders and all Castel-Mauboussin types before 1945.

"Postwar" section:

• Fouga Projects
  Everything produced by Fouga after the war (CM. series, Potez-Heinkel)

"Designations" section:

• Louis Peyret, Peyret-Mauboussin and Mauboussin Designations (no Castel!) (this here topic)
• Castel, Castel-Mauboussin & Fouga aircraft designations

Hope this helps!

Stargazer said:

A recap table of all designs involving Peyret

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Just realized I'd forgotten to include Albessard-Peyret!
I've replaced the tables with a newer version.