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Offline sferrin

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Assault Breaker
« on: January 18, 2007, 11:29:36 am »
http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Assault-Breaker.html

Good link.  It's an article by Carlo Kopp with a lot of nice pictures of things like the T-16, Pershing II airfield attack, Wasp mini-missile, etc.
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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007, 04:14:08 pm »
The Wasp min-missile is interesting - the CONOPS is very similar to that envisioned for BRIMSTONE, allthough the latter employs more conventional triple launchers.  (I've got an article on perhaps the "ultimate" assult breaker - the "Rods From God" (they were *real*) somewhere.  I'll post it later.)

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007, 04:28:49 pm »
The Wasp min-missile is interesting - the CONOPS is very similar to that envisioned for BRIMSTONE, allthough the latter employs more conventional triple launchers.  (I've got an article on perhaps the "ultimate" assult breaker - the "Rods From God" (they were *real*) somewhere.  I'll post it later.)

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If you notice it shows a Pershing II RV dispensing "Rods from God".  I've also got a picture in an old MilTech issue of another one, much larger, doing the same.  They even mention a "dead-airbase-in-a-package" based on the Saturn V of all things.  :o
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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2007, 05:13:01 pm »
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Saturn V

I raise your Launch Vehicle and present an orbital strike weapon:

From Jane's International Defence Review, Jan 2006:

..."One conventional strike option against hardened targets was demonstrated under a "black" or classified programme in 1978-88.  Colliquially known as "rods from God" (a term attributed to science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle), it involved placing small space vehicles containing 15-20 long, dense, inert tungsten rods - 6m long and 0.3m in diameter - in elliptical orbits around the Earth.  (There is no treaty restricting the use or deployment of conventional or non-explosive orbital weapons.) The vehicles would achieve ultra-high apogees of almost 65,000km and would eject and de-orbit the rods on demand.  When something falls in a vacuum from 65,000km it is apt to be moving rather quickly when it hits the ground, and the concept involved impact speeds of 6,000m/s.  It was estimated that the sheer kinetic energy impact would be enough to destroy missile silos.  According to analyst Barry Watts of the Center for Strategic and Bugetary Assessments: "A total of perhaps USD70-80 million was spent... including test shots against the Kwajalein Atoll from Vandenberg AFB in California.  In the end, however, the programme met staunch opposition from Air Force fighter generals who were not interested in seeing SAC develop a non-nuclear global-strike capability.  As a result, the programme was terminated."...

Anyone here read Footfall?   ;)

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2007, 07:19:04 pm »
Don't be surprised if "Rods from God" is not as dead as it would seem.

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2007, 07:43:45 pm »
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Saturn V

I raise your Launch Vehicle and present an orbital strike weapon:

From Jane's International Defence Review, Jan 2006:

..."One conventional strike option against hardened targets was demonstrated under a "black" or classified programme in 1978-88.  Colliquially known as "rods from God" (a term attributed to science fiction writer Jerry Pournelle), it involved placing small space vehicles containing 15-20 long, dense, inert tungsten rods - 6m long and 0.3m in diameter - in elliptical orbits around the Earth.  (There is no treaty restricting the use or deployment of conventional or non-explosive orbital weapons.) The vehicles would achieve ultra-high apogees of almost 65,000km and would eject and de-orbit the rods on demand.  When something falls in a vacuum from 65,000km it is apt to be moving rather quickly when it hits the ground, and the concept involved impact speeds of 6,000m/s.  It was estimated that the sheer kinetic energy impact would be enough to destroy missile silos.  According to analyst Barry Watts of the Center for Strategic and Bugetary Assessments: "A total of perhaps USD70-80 million was spent... including test shots against the Kwajalein Atoll from Vandenberg AFB in California.  In the end, however, the programme met staunch opposition from Air Force fighter generals who were not interested in seeing SAC develop a non-nuclear global-strike capability.  As a result, the programme was terminated."...

Anyone here read Footfall?   ;)

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Peter F Hamilton also uses it in his Night's Dawn trilogy (excellent sci-fi BTW if you're into that). 

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 01:52:35 am »
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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 03:37:43 pm »
There's a detailed discussion of Assault Breaker in the DARPA multi-volume history posted here awhile ago. Not many pictures, but lots of history.

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 06:04:17 pm »
There's a detailed discussion of Assault Breaker in the DARPA multi-volume history posted here awhile ago. Not many pictures, but lots of history.

The three "DARPA Technical Accomplishments" volumes referenced here I believe:
http://www.darpa.mil/About/History/Historical_DARPA_Bibliography.aspx

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 04:50:41 pm »
Three images from a Vought Assault Breaker sled test. Courtesy Vought Heritage Group.


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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 05:48:33 pm »
Interesting.  That's a Pershing II RV.  Didn't know they got past the, "hey, this might be a neat-o idea" with that.
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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 09:36:20 pm »
That looks like the front end of the T22 to me... (which was Vought's Assault Breaker design)


These aren't about Assault Breaker specifically, but they do discuss it:
http://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk2/1987/8718/8718.PDF
http://www.fas.org/ota/reports/8630.pdf

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2012, 04:39:03 am »
May not be exactly a Pershing II RV, but certainly appears to be something aerodynamically similar.  The current Army Advanced Hypersonic Weapon looks like one, too.

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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2012, 09:16:45 am »
That looks like the front end of the T22 to me... (which was Vought's Assault Breaker design)


These aren't about Assault Breaker specifically, but they do discuss it:
http://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk2/1987/8718/8718.PDF
http://www.fas.org/ota/reports/8630.pdf

You're probably correct.  The T-22 had forward fins added to a Lance rocket (Vought).
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/assault-breaker.html
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Re: Assault Breaker
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 09:55:04 am »
a "dead-airbase-in-a-package" based on the Saturn V of all things.  :o

That would certainly do the job, although it would have to be one hell of an airbase to warrant spending that level of resources.
 
The problem with such things is the possibility that the other side will take such a high-arching shot as presumptive evidence of a nuclear strike. It's only safe to do if said other side either is not nuclear armed or is content to wait for the first mushroom to blossom before returning the favour with interest. Also: given that even a conventional explosion of sufficient severity can generate a convincing mushroom cloud, you'd better not be using depleted uranium in those rods or someone with twitchy fingers is going to take the hit (and the resultant kick from the geiger counters) as evidence of a ground burst and then it's hasta la vista m.f.