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Enter the cyber dragon....
« on: August 03, 2011, 06:30:38 am »
The only thing more alarming than these breaches is the lack of a massive response.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/09/chinese-hacking-201109

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the 2007 hack of Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s computer finally made some in Washington take the cyber-espionage problem seriously. The Pentagon has admitted that in June of that year it had to shut down part of the computer system in Gates’s office after the attack

After the hackers got RSA keys they went into Lockheed, Northrop, General Dynamics, and other defense contractors systems.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 08:50:59 am »
Why is the West silent on 5-year cyberwar launched by China? http://www.itworld.com/security/190077/why-west-silent-5-year-cyberwar-launched-china

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 03:16:57 pm »
It really seems like they would have important stuff like this on some kind of intra-net that was not connected to the larger Internet as a whole. Might be tricky to access that remotely with a laptop when it was necessary, however.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 08:58:00 pm »
The New York Times hits back: P.L.A. unit 61398 - a.k.a "Comment Crew" - in Shanghai gets some fairly intense sunlight treatment.

Chinese Army Unit Is Seen as Tied to Hacking Against U.S.
Mandiant Intelligence Center Report (APT1: Exposing One of China's Cyber Espionage Units)

I don't know what I'm more surprised about - the relative simplicity of the attacks, or that those methods have worked to this extent in the first place. Anyhow, it doesn't bode well for the future that technologically ... well, let's be charitable and call them "savvy" elements of the P.L.A. apparently see the whole of the internet as an expendable asset in what amounts to a shockingly crude power play. I see no reason to be politically correct about Chinese state hacking; this directly threatens not only other nations' interests but the overall empowering genius of the net. State actors have their own resources, but I'd say that this above anything else calls for sanctions from every private actor on the net before this idiocy ruins things for all of us.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 01:22:51 am »
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 03:35:36 am »
China Lashes Back at Hacking Claims (Wall Street Journal) [Subscription may be required]

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BEIJING—China fought back against a U.S. computer security firm's accusations that a Chinese military group stole large amounts of data from U.S. companies, saying the U.S. is the top source of attacks against Chinese targets.
 
Speaking at a daily press briefing on Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei denied accusations from Mandiant Corp., which said in a report released Monday that a group attached to the People's Liberation Army stole data from more than 100 U.S. companies over a seven-year period.

"Cyberattacks are anonymous and transnational and it is hard to trace the origin of attacks, so I don't know how the findings of the report are credible," Mr. Hong said.
 
At the same time, Mr. Hong said China has been a frequent victim of cyberattacks, and he added that the U.S. has been the top source of such attacks. China has suffered virus attacks, and Chinese personal computers have come under control by foreign Internet addresses, he said.

When asked if China believed that the U.S. government is behind the attacks, Mr. Hong said "we can only say they originated in the U.S.," which he said was "entirely different from media reports that the Chinese government or the Chinese military are responsible" for the attacks detailed in the U.S. computer security firm's report. He cited research by a Chinese computer emergency response center affiliated China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 04:59:08 am »
This is getting really interesting. No peace for Human kind, after war and cold war, we have cyber war. China and America are not fighting with ICBM but using computers instead. Anyway this is not going to be good.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 03:06:47 am »
It never rains, it pours.

On a more humorous note:


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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2013, 06:37:29 am »
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130225/DA4LGDNG2.html

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BEIJING (AP) - Beijing hotly denies accusations of official involvement in massive cyberattacks against foreign targets, insinuating such activity is the work of rogues. But at least one element cited by Internet experts points to professional cyberspies: China's hackers take the weekend off.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 01:14:35 am »
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2013, 07:44:36 am »
Very brazen behavior from Chinese professional hackers during the 2009 - 2010 "Aurora" attacks against Google and Microsoft. One of the main targets seems to have been unveiling accounts under surveillance by FISA orders. I may be wrong but this seems to suggest that either the Chinese were under the impression that they could intrude the largest tech companies in the U.S. scot free and/or undetected, or that their standing humint (throughout academia, companies, etc.?) capacity in the U.S .is so large that compromised assets can be removed at no substantial risk to the whole espionage effort.

Washington Post: "Chinese hackers who breached Google gained access to sensitive data, U.S. officials say" (May 20th, 2013)

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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 01:21:08 pm »
Its going to be tough for this administration to take the high ground against Chinese hacking when  it's just been revealed you have vast mechanisms in place to watch your own people....

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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 02:04:34 pm »
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 04:18:40 pm »
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...


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But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...

Indeed. And news out today seems to indicate that there was a concerted effort to penetrate the J-20 programme at CAC by placing people in the programme, as well as systematically hacking Chinese cyberspace over the last 15 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10124615/Chinas-state-media-says-extraditing-Edward-Snowden-would-be-unwise.html
 
If true, none of this is really a surprise though.
The only real surprise is that people seem to think it's only the Chinese at it.
 
People wouldn't be doing their jobs right if this didn't go on.
 

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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2013, 09:39:11 am »
But we're making it easy for the opposition because idiots like Army analysts post the names of their intel tools on Linkedin:

ANCHORY, AMHS, NUCLEON, TRAFFICTHIEF, ARCMAP, SIGNAV, COASTLINE, DISHFIRE, FASTSCOPE, OCTAVE/CONTRAOCTAVE, PINWALE, UTT, WEBCANDID, MICHIGAN, PLUS, ASSOCIATION, MAINWAY, FASCIA, OCTSKYWARD, INTELINK, METRICS, BANYAN, MARINA.

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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2013, 10:05:48 pm »
This is rather troubling. Did we lose our right to tell China to stop hacking? Not sure how we can tell them that without making us look like hypocrites. Also, has our government even denied any of Snowden's claims of our hacking yet?
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« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 04:39:34 am »
China's cyber espionage is unacceptable. It's time for trade sanctions. Hit them where it hurts most.

Dismantling the opposing arguments:

(1) We do it too, so it's OK if they do it: They do it MORE - more frequent, more severe, and with more impact on our economy (loss of proprietary data). Since we are the ones with the technology, what exactly can we steal from them? Innovation is the lifeblood of America, and they are stealing our innovation. I strongly suspect that our spying on China is just good old fashioned "what are they up to" spying, rather than cyber theft.

(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.

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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2013, 11:47:52 am »

(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.


Why don't you suggest that to some of your businesses that rely on Chinese production...make sure you have good running shoes though since they will be ready to lynch you for such stupid comments!

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2013, 01:11:39 pm »
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So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.


Walmart says no, we wont be doing that.....  You didn't actually think legislators had the final say so did you???

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(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.


Why don't you suggest that to some of your businesses that rely on Chinese production...make sure you have good running shoes though since they will be ready to lynch you for such stupid comments!

Outsourced labor is unskilled and replaceable. Those businesses don't need Chinese production, they need labor. Without US innovation and designers the Chinese manufacturers are lost without a purpose.

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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2013, 09:02:08 pm »
That is an overly simplistic and ignorant view of the reality of the situation.

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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2013, 10:54:55 am »
Would Current engineered quantum annealing devices be able to detect the potential effects of malicious deep sub-micron CMOS circuits?

http://www.rdmag.com/news/2013/07/research-finds-prototype-quantum-chip-operates-hoped

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/130628/ncomms3067/full/ncomms3067.html
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CHINESE FIRM PAID US GOV'T INTELLIGENCE ADVISER  Associated Press

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A longtime adviser to the U.S. Director of National Intelligence has resigned after the government learned he has worked since 2010 as a paid consultant for Huawei Technologies Ltd., the Chinese technology company the U.S. has condemned as an espionage threat, The Associated Press has learned.

Theodore H. Moran, a respected expert on China's international investment and professor at Georgetown University, had served since 2007 as adviser to the intelligence director's advisory panel on foreign investment in the United States. Moran also was an adviser to the National Intelligence Council, a group of 18 senior analysts and policy experts who provide U.S. spy agencies with judgments on important international issues.

The case highlights the ongoing fractious relationship between the U.S. government and Huawei, China's leading developer of telephone and Internet infrastructure, which has been condemned in the U.S. as a potential national security threat. Huawei has aggressively disputed this, and its chief executive, Ren Zhengfei, has said the company has decided to abandon the U.S. market.
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2014, 01:07:35 pm »
There is another side to this story and it pertains to the relationship between Russian intelligence and Snowden


The Snowden Operation: Inside the West's Greatest Intelligence Disaster (Kindle Singles)


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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2014, 05:47:45 am »
There is a better link to the document here.

What I think is really interesting here is the three pages of UFO pics. There is not a transcription to go with this presentation, so we don't know what was said in reference to the UFO pics. But since the topic is clearly disinformation, I imagine that the UFO legend is an often used tool to muck up any exotic platform sighting that might happen from time to time.

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Chinese military unit charged with cyber-espionage against U.S. firms
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Attorney General Eric Holder formally announced the U.S. plan to bring charges against members of the Chinese People's Liberation Army for hacking into the computers of six organizations in western Pennsylvania.

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Victimized by the cyberspying were Westinghouse Electric Co., Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies Inc., United States Steel, the United Steel Workers Union and SolarWorld, officials said.

But the charges involving hacking against defense related industry are the ones we really want to see.....

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The investigation also found gaps in reporting requirements and a lack of information sharing among U.S. government entities. That in turn left the U.S. military largely unaware of computer compromises of its contractors.

If only the NSA wasn't spending all its time monitoring the American people it might have some time to protect our military contractors....

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NSA monitors the world. Including China

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NSA monitors the world. Including China

The NSA teamed up with the justice dept and turned all their firepower against Yahoo with fines that would have added up to over a trillion dollars in less than five months.

If the NSA even used a fraction of those resources to protect our defense contractors, do you think they would have been hacked? They are so obsessed with spying on the American public that they have neglected their primary mission.
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« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2014, 07:27:26 pm »
If the NSA even used a fraction of those resources to protect our defense contractors, do you think they would have been hacked?


Yes.

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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2014, 03:46:49 pm »
If the NSA even used a fraction of those resources to protect our defense contractors, do you think they would have been hacked?


Yes.

Really? Because I am thinking "Sentry Raven" is not helpful to US companies. They are unwittingly using crippled encryption that is ripe for Chinese exploitation.

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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2014, 06:56:54 pm »
Really? Because I am thinking "Sentry Raven" is not helpful to US companies. They are unwittingly using crippled encryption that is ripe for Chinese exploitation.


Yes, really. Your question was:


If the NSA even used a fraction of those resources to protect our defense contractors, do you think they would have been hacked?


SENTRY RAVEN has little to nothing to do with this. Do you REALLY think that adversaries are just sitting there breaking encryption to gain access?
Really?

A determined attacker will get in, and it doesn't take all that much determination.

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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2014, 07:00:37 am »
SENTRY RAVEN has little to nothing to do with this. Do you REALLY think that adversaries are just sitting there breaking encryption to gain access?
Really?

SENTRY RAVEN is but one of many programs to install back doors into various pieces of networking and systems hardware. The Chinese and others make very quick work of finding these holes and exploiting them. If I was a fortune 500 company and the Chinese came through a hole that the NSA left, I would be pretty pissed off.

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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2014, 03:02:00 am »
State Dept computers hacked, email shut down (AP)

The Cyber Dragon or the Code Bear, I wonder.
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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2014, 01:44:17 pm »
Not an entirely objective article, I suspect... 

.. but there seems to be at least a grain of truth in it:
http://www.chip.de/news/BadUSB-Erstes-Exploit-umgeht-Schutzmassnahmen-am-PC_73091055.html

For short: The "BadUSB" security risk is already known for quite a while,, but was regarded as a theoretical danger
only. But on the Black Hat Hacker Conference, Kartesn Nohl, a German expert for IT security presented the first
real BadUSB exploit, still without making the code public, as it was regarded as too dangerous.
But too other experts, Adam Caudill and Brandon Wilson, after analysing the same firmware said, that they will
publish that exploits, because they regard this a s the only way to force industry to close that security gap.
And another of theri arguments is, that concealment would work for those, who are already using such an exploit.
They assuem, that it's long since for example the NSA is using it ...
 
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And now e-cigarettes?

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/e-cigarette-from-china-infected-mans-computer-with-103466334849.html

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A recent post to social news site Reddit detailed how the computer of an executive at a “large corporation” had been infected with malware from an undetermined source. Further investigation apparently revealed that it had stemmed from a $5 e-cigarette bought from the online auction site eBay.

“The executive’s system was patched up to date, had antivirus and anti-malware protection,” Reddit user Jrockilla said. “Web logs were scoured and all attempts made to identify the source of the infection but to no avail. Finally after all traditional means of infection were covered, IT started looking into other possibilities. They finally asked the executive: ‘Have there been any changes in your life recently?’ The executive answered: ‘Well yes, I quit smoking two weeks ago and switched to e-cigarettes.’ And that was the answer they were looking for.”

The e-cigarette was found to have malware hard-coded into the charger, which “phoned home” and infected the system when plugged into the computer’s USB port. Pierluigi Paganini, chief information security officer at ID management firm Bit4Id, said that electronic cigarettes were just the latest vector to serve the spread of malicious software.

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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2014, 11:43:38 pm »
And now e-cigarettes?

As already pointed to in the link given by Grey Havoc.  ;)

The danger of an infection increases with the cheapness of the product, as the traceability
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« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2014, 07:50:05 am »
Quite probably not from China .... should we change the title, or at least add other
animals ? Lions or Eagles or ...  ?  ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30171614

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/11/24/powerful-new-cyber-espionage-program-said-discovered/
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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2014, 09:38:58 am »
Good job North Korea, you have now guaranteed that I will see the movie about assassinating your fat, ugly, dear leader. Note to dictators, you should be grateful that Hollywood gets a person more attractive than yourself to play you, it actually improves your image, and makes us forget for just a moment how fat you are.
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« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2014, 07:11:26 am »
in case people are wondering what's going on in the interwebs and what China has been up to:

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Hahaha, handing over source code would be the stupidest thing we have EVER done. It is clearly time to stop doing business with the dragon, it has gotten too big for its own good.

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Tell China the answer is NO! I believe that the Chinese are falling so far behind in modern systems design and technology that even massive cyber theft is not enough to keep them in the game. They are being forced to resort to blatant measures just to keep up. Hence this outrageous request for source code.


This behavior by China is the bitter harvest of them attempting to build their progress on copying others people's IP.

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China has 2.3 million households of "millionaires", and that number is growing pretty fast. Those people aren't going to drink "Mao's Kool Aide" forever. Capitalism fever has a permanent foothold there, and democracy fever is not far behind...

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I fear that you may be a trifle overoptimistic there.


With regards as to my previous post, a Russian viewpoint on reports of that paper: http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chinese_Military_Internet_the_New_Battlefield_for_War_With_Hostile_West_999.html
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Re: The OPM hack

"Hacking as Offensive Counterintelligence", June 8 2015 by John R. Schindler in his "The XX Committee" -blog. In short, this seems like a big, big deal. Lots of damage. Open, democratic societies need to get seriously creative about thinking information security.

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China Pushes to Rewrite Rules of Global Internet (Wall Street Journal, registration may be required)
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« Reply #97 on: September 20, 2015, 08:52:34 am »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/world/asia/us-and-china-seek-arms-deal-for-cyberspace.html

Idiocy unbound. Par for the course in the G-Zero era. Of course the only winners from such a deal would be the PRC.
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Idiocy unbound. Par for the course in the G-Zero era. Of course the only winners from such a deal would be the PRC.

I just cant understand our strategy. The Gov is completely fixated on data collection and places no value whatsoever on strengthening cyber security. What is even worse is the cover up mentality exhibited by government and corporate America. We are appalled at all the known breaches, but even worse are the breaches that go unreported, there is no telling what has REALLY been stolen out there....

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/world/asia/us-and-china-seek-arms-deal-for-cyberspace.html

Idiocy unbound. Par for the course in the G-Zero era. Of course the only winners from such a deal would be the PRC.

I just cant understand our strategy. The Gov is completely fixated on data collection and places no value whatsoever on strengthening cyber security. What is even worse is the cover up mentality exhibited by government and corporate America. We are appalled at all the known breaches, but even worse are the breaches that go unreported, there is no telling what has REALLY been stolen out there....

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Honeypots

Alas, most of the current lot in power wouldn't even know what you are on about.

Meanwhile: http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/254550-chinas-silicon-valley-power-play
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Honeypots

Don't be absurd. Letting 5 million government workers fingerprints slip out the back door is not a @%&#^ honeypot. It is a complete disaster.

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« Reply #105 on: October 20, 2015, 04:34:47 am »
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The apps' creators used a software development kit from a Chinese advertising company called Youmi, which allowed the developers to put ads in their apps. That's kosher.

But Youmi's software gathered information about the people who downloaded the apps, including their email addresses and iPhone serial numbers -- sending all that data to Youmi's servers. That skirted Apple's strict privacy guidelines for app developers.

And the way Youmi designed the software hid that fact from the developers and Apple's iTunes App Store gatekeepers.
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« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2015, 03:18:35 am »
Another 'Bear or Dragon' scenario, it would seem.

http://gizmodo.com/latest-hack-like-stealing-a-master-key-to-get-into-any-1748773116

Hopefully somewhat overhyped. Otherwise things could get ugly(er).
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« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2016, 01:10:54 pm »
Read this carefully and then consider the implications. ("Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet", Schneier on Security, September 13th, 2016)

Much more resilience needs to be built into the web as the free democratic world knows it - as a utility, as a basic structure of our economy (the largest public companies by market capitalization are Apple, Alphabet [parent of Google] and Microsoft - all knowledge based, immaterial to a large degree) and as a non-governmental granular, emergent network, too. I'm no "prepper" but nefarious activities around core internet infrastructure (consider also the rapidly proliferating ASAT capabilities and specialized Russian subs loitering around communications cables) really encourages me to look further into steering the relevant decision making (local, national, international) in an informed and effective way. Furthermore, it can't hurt to know about redundancy options such as data over ham radio, auxiliary dial up possibilities and standing up ad-hoc WiFi networks. Local backup of the most important data instead of relying solely on cloud storage seems a prudent precaution as well.

Many actors increasingly see everything in terms of attack vectors, the world solely in various stages of war. Defending what we have and aspiring to be ever more capable is shaping up to be a very asymmetric confrontation - at least in terms of almost completely different objectives. There are also serious, disturbing wider intent signifying implications in any hostile actor acquiring infrastructure-wide disruptive/destructive capabilities in any arena.

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« Reply #126 on: October 18, 2016, 11:56:31 am »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/emojis-should-be-regulated-says-official-china-media-amid-online/

That is, culturally speaking, very odd indeed. Chinese itself is (mainly) written in logograms so emojis should fit right in there - in fact emojis could be seen as a conduit for "westerners" between writing in alphabets and other forms of notation and less so the other way around. I'm hard pressed to see how emojis could be used in any more politically subversive (ambiguous, double entendre) ways as any other symbols in chinese writing, at least.

Meanwhile here are a couple of loo...oooong reads I've enjoyed on the subject recently. As much about cyber "bears" and other related stuff as "dragons" but as the methodology and the playing field is largely the same, there you go:

The Atlantic, November 2016 issue: "War Goes Viral, How social media is being weaponized across the world"
BuzzFeed, October 15th: "Meet Fancy Bear, The Russian Group Hacking US Elections"

“騎虎難下”, as they say in chinese (according to The Atlantic feature, I don't know the language apart from saying "nee hao"), or literally, “riding a tiger and it being hard to get off.”
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« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2016, 01:41:24 pm »
Some more info, partly overlapping, partly complementary.

War on the Rocks, October 19th, 2016: "Whodunnit? Russia and coercion through cyberspace"
Esquire, October 20th: "How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History"

The latter article, despite the (hopefully not premature) title, also ties everything in with NSA Tailored Access Operations tools having been very publicly hawked online.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/16/how-russia-overtook-china-as-our-biggest-cyber-enemy/

Basically a 'The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!' piece. Some of the assertions and conclusions in the article are questionable at best.
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I had actual nightmares when I heard Iskander-M units put down roots outside the Russian Federation... In Syria... Possibly as a final garuntee of safety for Assad against a SOCOM stealthy snatch and grab to the Hague... Now this.

Waiting to see if it comes out the wash who hacked the state Agency...

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I wonder if they shared any of the take with the PLA?
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I wonder if they shared any of the take with the PLA?

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Basically they want to replicate the joys of that Black Mirror episode "Nosedive". 
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« Reply #172 on: October 09, 2018, 05:48:27 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-warns-hacking-spree-group-linked-china-003355487.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/chinese-spy-chips-are-said-to-be-found-in-hardware-used-by-apple-amazon-apple-denies-the-bloomberg-businessweek-report.html

Worth mentioning that Apple continues to vehemently deny this story.  Obviously, you'd expect they wouldn't want to confirm it if true, but as a publicly traded company they face penalties if they lie about financially significant facts. which this obviously is.  So the very strong denials seem to be an accurate reflection of what Apple leadership knows or believes.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/10/apple-attacks-bloomberg-spy-chip-story-in-letter-to-congress/

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« Reply #173 on: October 09, 2018, 10:35:25 am »
It looks like they were hoping that the scandal would be brushed under the carpet come the expected Democrat 'Blue wave' in November (though that is now looking dodgy). A major problem for them apart from the obvious fallout of such a disastrous security compromise is that a case could be made that Amazon/AWS, Apple, and Google (among others) have already lied under oath repeatedly about the security breaches in question, and not just to Congress. And that's not taking into account other potential criminal and civil liabilities. Therefore when the story first broke it might have seemed to be a good idea at the time to try and tough it out, admitting nothing until the problem could be made to 'go away'.

Their situation has certainly not been made any easier by a rather half-hearted (and IMHO highly hypocritical) denial by Homeland Security on Sunday which in effect put any and all blame on the companies involved. (That earlier denial by GCHQ by the way appears to have been an ill-advised pre-emptive panic response to try and protect that proposed £25 Billion Cyberwarfare initiative.) And the wheels seem to be still coming off:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-09/new-evidence-of-hacked-supermicro-hardware-found-in-u-s-telecom
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The story as presented makes very little sense technically. I'm not sure this is real.
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A Chinese Ministry of State Security (MSS) operative, Yanjun Xu, aka Qu Hui, aka Zhang Hui, has been arrested and charged with conspiring and attempting to commit economic espionage and steal trade secrets from multiple U.S. aviation and aerospace companies.  Xu was extradited to the United States yesterday.

The charges were announced today by Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio Benjamin C. Glassman, Assistant Director Bill Priestap of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, and Special Agent in Charge Angela L. Byers of the FBI’s Cincinnati Division.

“This indictment alleges that a Chinese intelligence officer sought to steal trade secrets and other sensitive information from an American company that leads the way in aerospace,” said Assistant Attorney General Demers.  “This case is not an isolated incident.  It is part of an overall economic policy of developing China at American expense.  We cannot tolerate a nation’s stealing our firepower and the fruits of our brainpower.  We will not tolerate a nation that reaps what it does not sow.”

“Innovation in aviation has been a hallmark of life and industry in the United States since the Wright brothers first designed gliders in Dayton more than a century ago,” said U.S. Attorney Glassman.  “U.S. aerospace companies invest decades of time and billions of dollars in research.  This is the American way.  In contrast, according to the indictment, a Chinese intelligence officer tried to acquire that same, hard-earned innovation through theft.  This case shows that federal law enforcement authorities can not only detect and disrupt such espionage, but can also catch its perpetrators.  The defendant will now face trial in federal court in Cincinnati.”
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Nothing new from the Chinese government, like most they shout the loudest when they are in the wrong.  All nations do the same to an extent.

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« Reply #184 on: December 16, 2018, 10:24:02 am »
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"ne major breach of a Navy contractor, reported in June, involved the theft of secret plans to build a supersonic anti-ship missile planned for use by American submarines, according to officials."

Sounds like some people need to be made examples of.  This is criminal incompetence.
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Im sure the examples noted above are an interesting insight into this field and in reality it goes both ways, with the west constantly 'attacking' those states and companies it sees as a 'threat' ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_the_United_States
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Im sure the examples noted above are an interesting insight into this field and in reality it goes both ways, with the west constantly 'attacking' those states and companies it sees as a 'threat' ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_the_United_States

That is absolutely not true. The US intelligence agencies have exercised great restraint with any China directed hacking. They do it in order to assess foreign capabilities. They dont do it to steal technology, they dont do it cause political unrest, they dont do it for social engineering. All these bring attention which would be counter to their primary directive, which is defense of the United States of America.

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