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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2016, 10:51:06 am »
Nice find my dear Avions,

and in a drawing to Type-1,it had a skids for landing,and a weird tailless shape.

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2016, 06:50:37 am »
Can anyone say how many Sablier Type 4s were constructed? The only one I know to have carried registration marks is F-WFOP, which was built by Wilfried Giraud, the mechanic of the Aéro Club de l'Ouest at Angers-Avrillé, soon after the last war, which is also known as the Giraud-Sablier T4 (see http://aeroclub-angers.fr/wp-content...-de-lOuest.pdf). It appears never to have employed a CDN or CNRA registration and is supposed to have been destroyed at Angers-Avrillé c. 1965. However in the private motorcycle museum of Jean-Luc Gaignard, near Laval, there is the fuselage of an aeroplane which looks like a Type 4 and also carries the registration mark F-WFOP (see http://www.aerostories.org/~aeroforums/forumhist/aff.php?nummsg=68597). Is this a second Type 4 or did Giraud's machine survive and is this it? Then on the aviafrance website there is a photograph of an unmarked Type 4 (see https://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=8067&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=1154&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=). Is this Giraud's machine and/or the machine in the museum near Laval or another Type 4? And finally on the Vieilles Toiles et Planeurs Modernes website there are two photographs of a Type 4 which look to have been taken at the Paris salon, possibly pre-war (the design of the Type 4 dates from 1932)(see http://claudel.dopp.free.fr/Les_planeurs/Histoire/Georges_Sablier/Georges_Sablier_machines.htm), and, if it is, presumably it cannot be F-WFOP but is the pre-war original of the Type 4 - which means that there must have been at least two; but there could have been up to four; and there may have been more - or possibly less!

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2016, 09:31:50 am »
Great find my dear Patvig,

also more Projects on TU new issue.

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2016, 05:34:07 am »
French webpage available here : http://claudel.dopp.free.fr/Les_planeurs/Histoire/Georges_Sablier/Georges_Sablier_machines.htm

My dear Apophenia,my dear Patvig discovered a good site,has many new Sablier Projects and unknown aircraft
please add it to the list,and later I will introduce anther Projects.

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2016, 10:21:34 am »
Done ... along with some added links.

Good find patvig! Hard to tell how many of these are unbuilt projects but your link has filled a lot of the gaps  :D

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2016, 02:12:37 pm »
Done ... along with some added links.

Good find patvig! Hard to tell how many of these are unbuilt projects but your link has filled a lot of the gaps  :D

Excellent my dear Apophenia,

do you know that,Wikipedia always takes Infos from you and me,and also from my dear Skyblazer.

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2016, 05:19:49 am »
Hi,

here is a strange airplane,it looks like Type-3,but in this Italian report,it had
a 13 hp engine,maybe it was Type-2 ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201926%20011.pdf

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2016, 09:58:35 am »
from an old "le fana de l'aviation"

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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2016, 10:07:37 am »
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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2016, 10:49:40 am »
here is a strange airplane,it looks like Type-3,but in this Italian report,it had a 13 hp engine,maybe it was Type-2 ?.

In the L'Ala d'Italia article (pg 490-491), it says something like:

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'Sablier' Parasol Monoplane

From the three-view drawings of the apparatus, it is evident that this monoplane was conceived as a glider, although consideration has been given to the possibility of applying an auxiliary motor. Indeed, in the published data,  a 13 hp DKW engine is anticipated. Construction is all-wood, the wing being covered in cloth, while the sides of the fuselage are made of plywood.

In other words,  L'Ala d'Italia are illustrating the Sablier Type 3 in this 3-view drawing while noting the possibility of a future motor-glider variant with a DKW auxiliary engine (presumably nose-mounted).

I think it far more likely that the 1923 Chanute type glider was the Sablier Type 2 (although this is pure speculation).


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Re: Georges Sablier Type Designations
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2016, 12:50:03 pm »
Thank you my dears Toura and Apophenia.