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Interesting concept doubt it will get beyond this stage??

http://www.popsci.com/tank-turret-makes-light-boat-deadly-fighter?dom=fb&src=SOC

Could you imagine boat on boat "Sea to Sea superiority missions" with these protecting carriers like fighters covering bombers? :eek:
 
The idea of a small boat with tank turret is old. For instance, soviet project 1124 was used on Danube during the Belgrade operation in 1944.
 

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bobbymike said:
Could you imagine boat on boat "Sea to Sea superiority missions" with these protecting carriers like fighters covering bombers? :eek:


Small boats are too small to operate in the world's oceans. The aircraft analogy would be trying to escort a B-29 through a thunderstorm with Sopwith Camels. Ain't going to happen. Fine but for inshore escort like port security.
 
Abraham Gubler said:
bobbymike said:
Could you imagine boat on boat "Sea to Sea superiority missions" with these protecting carriers like fighters covering bombers? :eek:


Small boats are too small to operate in the world's oceans. The aircraft analogy would be trying to escort a B-29 through a thunderstorm with Sopwith Camels. Ain't going to happen. Fine but for inshore escort like port security.
And anything that can take a bite out of a 100,000 ton carrier is going to be pasted by the air wing and major surface combatants well before coming into range of that cat's gun.


But, Bobby, it might have utility as an escort to landing craft or as a bigger-gun fire support compliment to the Navy's Mark VI.
 
Honestly looks like a boat without a mission. Against small surface threats it surely couldn't be as useful as typical gunboats. And as a river monitor the catamaran would surely make it less damage resistant than a monohull.

If it's about fire support for special forces (the article mentions SEALs), well it has missed the boat (pun intended) and is less versatile than its competitors.
 
Has anyone got a better link to the concept? When I followed the OP's link I just got the pop sci main page with a lot of science pap and no easy to find tank boat.


Oh hang on maybe I should use Google? Still couldn't find a decent link in the first few Google responses. But their cached imagery shows the design and that it is the Swedish-Indonesian North Sea (Burning) Boat builders. Looks like a pirate hunter.


The Brits did some work with naval use of tank guns in the 50s to 70s. Ironically in the second phase to hunt Indonesian penetration boats in the very waters where these boats would be built.


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1672.msg145756.html#msg145756
 

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PopSci Auatralia also has it -- might be easier for you to access:

http://www.popsci.com.au/tech/military/tank-turret-turns-light-boat-into-deadly-fighter,403486

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North Sea Boats' new X-18 Tank Boat feels like it should be a G.I. Joe toy. The 60-foot long catamaran can travel up rivers, carry a small inflatable boat on its back, and deliver either 20 Marines or Navy SEALs to shore. It also has a tank cannon in a turret on top of the main cabin, and if that isn't enough, it's possible to put an automated heavy machine gun turret on top of the tank turret.

Designed for a crew of four, the Tank Boat punches well above its weight. The smaller turret can be outfitted with guns ranging from 7.62 machine guns to 30-mm light cannons, and the bigger guns punch through armored targets up to 3 miles away. The 105-mm cannon can also angle up to 42 degrees, letting it lob explosives over 6 miles. Landing on beaches is never easy, but a landing craft with deadly firepower makes it a lot easier.

Right now, the 18 appears to be just a concept, with small mock-ups appearing at defense trade shows. When asked for more information about the boat, Indonesian defense firm PT Lundin, which owns North Sea Boats, sent along a brochure, so it appears they are at least marketing the idea.

The X18 would hardly be the first tank boat. Starting in the 1930s and going into World War II, Soviet Russia experimented with heavier armed river boats, using already-made tank turrets as the turrets for their riverine vessels. Not just experiments, these ships saw battle, participating in fights on the Black Sea and the Baltic sea. During WWII, the U.S. Navy tried putting tank turrets on landing craft, but found the guns were too heavy and the boat engines too weak. With modern construction techniques, and 70 years of development since, it's unlikely the X18 will have these problems.
 
I could imagine numbers of such boats safeguard waters like the Strait of Hormuz,
and around Somalia, or other areas, where the thread is more a paramilitary one,
or just piracy. Much better weapons range and accuracy, than machine guns or RPG.
 
Jemiba said:
I could imagine numbers of such boats safeguard waters like the Strait of Hormuz,
and around Somalia, or other areas, where the thread is more a paramilitary one,
or just piracy. Much better weapons range and accuracy, than machine guns or RPG.
has a tank turret really got better range and accuracy than a 76mm naval mount. If have thought the stabilization required of tank turrets is less than regular naval mounts. Plus taking pirates out at long ranges isn't a reality. The anti-piracy forces are supported to deter and capture not kill.

The straights of Hormuz are not really paramilitary threat in my view. The speedboats of the IRGCN might appear that way but they are just part of a complex military system.
 
Aren't they going to run into similar navalization issues that they did with MONARC?
 
https://www.armyrecognition.com/new...-3030-turret-for-coastal-and-river-operations
A couple of excerpts from the article:
Supported by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, the vessel is undergoing sea trials, builder trials, factory acceptance testing, and harbor acceptance testing. It is designed to perform operations in Indonesia’s rivers, coastal waters, and sea lanes. The boat is named “Antasena” by the Indonesian Army (TNI AD) and is intended to carry out troop transport, coastal surveillance, interdiction, support to amphibious operations, and Coast Guard tasks.

The X18 Tank Boat model displayed at IndoDefense 2025 is equipped with the Cockerill 3030 remotely operated turret manufactured by John Cockerill Defense. This turret integrates the 30mm XM813 electrically powered chain gun with a two-drum feed system containing 255 rounds of 30x173mm ammunition, including MK310 programmable airburst munitions. The turret also includes a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun and supports pintle mounts for 12.7mm heavy machine guns or 40mm grenade launchers. Elevation ranges from -10° to +60°, with a fully stabilized mount and dual hunter/killer sights for the gunner and commander. These sights are compatible with second-generation FLIR and offer detection, recognition, and identification ranges of 18/9/5 km (daylight) and 15/7/3.5 km (thermal). Ballistic protection for the turret reaches STANAG 4569 Level 5, and the configuration includes eight smoke grenade launchers and options for acoustic gunshot detection, laser warning systems, and active protection systems.

The Cockerill 3030 turret was previously tested under the U.S. Army DEVCOM Armaments Center Medium Caliber Armament System (MCAS) CRADA program. As part of this agreement, John Cockerill Defense America delivered a version of the 3030 equipped with the XM813 cannon for testing with DEVCOM-AC’s situational fire control system. Over 5,000 rounds were fired during trials, including programmable munitions. The program generated data for fire control integration and led to further CAD work for a future version compatible with the XM913 50mm cannon. The turret is optionally manned, supports both two- and three-person crew configurations, and features under-armor reloading and maintenance access. The modular architecture enables further upgrades in armament and fire control. This turret has also been integrated on the FNSS Pars Alpha 6x6 concept vehicle presented at FEINDEF 2025.

The X18 Tank Boat has a hull constructed from fire-retardant carbon fiber composite material, which is described by its manufacturer as ten times lighter and ten times stronger than steel. Its foil-assisted catamaran configuration gives it a shallow draft of less than one meter, enabling navigation in swampy or shallow waters. The standard configuration includes a length of 18.75 meters, a beam of 7.5 meters, and a displacement of 43 tons. The propulsion system consists of two MAN 1,200 hp diesel engines or two 1,700 hp MTU engines, each coupled with MJP450 waterjets, allowing for a maximum speed of 50 knots and an operational range of up to 600 nautical miles at a cruising speed of 9 knots. The Tank Boat can carry a five-person crew and between 20 and 60 troops, depending on the configuration and mission profile. The rear deck supports logistics transport and integration of additional modules, including a beach landing ramp, drone launch and recovery systems, and mortar plates.

Multiple configurations of the Tank Boat exist. The APC variant, known as APC-60, is intended primarily for troop transport. It is equipped with the Cockerill CPWS Gen 2 turret armed with a 25 or 30mm automatic cannon and 7.62mm coaxial machine gun. The CPWS turret is fitted with a panoramic day/night sight, allowing 360-degree observation and independent targeting. The vessel supports modular payloads such as drones, mortars, missile launchers, and RHIBs. NORTHSEADRONES quadcopters are being tested for ISR integration with the Cockerill turret. The navigation and communication suite includes two GPS receivers, two WECDIS consoles, a radar station, a conning station, five WECIDS trackballs, ten 24-inch monitors, a gyrocompass from iXblue, AIS, magnetic compass, autopilot, and a weather station. PT Len Industri supplies VHF and HF radios, while PT Hariff provides the battlefield management system. All electronics are integrated via redundant LAN networks to ensure operational continuity in case of failure.

Concept art and early promotional material indicated a variant of the Tank Boat equipped with a 105mm Cockerill 3105 gun capable of direct and indirect fire. The gun can fire NATO-standard high-explosive shells as well as the Falarick 105 Gun-Launched Anti-Tank Guided Missile (GLATGM), with a maximum range of 5,000 meters for guided munitions and 10,000 meters for indirect fire. The turret enables +42° elevation, giving the boat the ability to engage targets behind cover or in complex terrain. Although this version is not currently in testing, the modular architecture allows for turret interchangeability. Similar systems have been studied by the U.S. Army and other militaries seeking hybrid vehicles combining armor and maritime capability.

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ORIGINAL CAPTION: The X18 Tank Boat model displayed at IndoDefense 2025 is equipped with the Cockerill 3030 turret, which has also been integrated on the FNSS Pars Alpha 6x6 concept vehicle presented at FEINDEF 2025. (Picture source: Army Recognition)
 
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I wonder whether something like this might be of use in the defense of (or an attack on) some of these artificial islands that are getting built in South East Asia, especially for use supporting or repeling special forces raids. Some of these islands seem small enough that a 105mm gun in direct and/or indirect mode could probably provide cover over the entire length and width of the island.
 
Hopefully not still using T-34 turrets but something a little more recent...
Well, the small ones used 76-mm turret from PT-76 amphibious tanks. The large ones - like this river monitor of Project 1208 (currently considered border guard ships) use 100-mm turrets from T-55 tanks: Корабль_Амурской_флотилии.jpeg
 
I was honestly expecting T55 or one of the heavy tanks. IS3M/T10?

Because the American experience of armed riverine patrol boats (Swift Boats etc) is that they get shot to hell and back. Armor is kinda vital for them. Oh, and having the hull packed with styrofoam between layers of steel, so that a "double hull" can't flood.
 
Because the American experience of armed riverine patrol boats (Swift Boats etc) is that they get shot to hell and back. Armor is kinda vital for them. Oh, and having the hull packed with styrofoam between layers of steel, so that a "double hull" can't flood.
Well, the US river fleet existed soley for counter-guerilla operations in Vietnam against poorly-armed opponent who relied on ambush tactics. Soviet river fleet was more general-purpose; it was supposed to support Army on rivers and coastal areas against peer enemy. So it was pointless to add more than splinter armor protection.
 

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