Turkey's Naval Projects Discussion

Scott Kenny said:
Hrm. Subs only.

I really think we're at the point where you need heavyweight speed and range for airdropped and surface launched ASW torpedoes. Modern nuclear and lithium battery subs can have enough acceleration to outrun/exhaust even a Mk48 if you're not close enough at launch.

So, I'm thinking a ~1500lb ASW torpedo with reduced warhead and Mk48/Spearfish engine and fuel tank.
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Might as well bring back the Mk37.
 
gral_rj said:
Might as well bring back the Mk37.
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Or consider the Swedish 400mm ASW torpedo diameter. With the possible advent of smaller anti-torpedo torpedos for the low end, I could see the development of larger lightweight torpedos or shortened heavyweight torpedos suitable for underwater, surface or air launch.
 
Istif class grows to 12 ships...

I thought this amendment was for the weapon and sensor systems of ships 4-8, but instead it seems to be for an additional order of +4 I-class ships.

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MİLGEM contract worth 421.5 million euros from ASELSAN! In the MİLGEM Combat Systems Contract, a contract amendment was signed with TAIS Joint Venture and STM Business Partnership, and MİLGEM 9-12 ships' combat systems and payloads were included in the contract.
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https://x.com/pagrup/status/1795722929260650989
 
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Combat-Master said:
You sure about that ?
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Yeah tought maybe i we have a misunderstanding because of me.
Its width is 3 m where the MK.41 has 3,43 m.
Its height or what i would have called length is 2 m with Midas and 2,62 m for the MK 41.
It length (what i called height) surpasses even the MK.57 with 0,1 m so 8 m for Midas and 7,9 m for the MK.57.
 
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Can it also take ESSM? Because if it can then each cell should be the same diameter as in the MK.41 which makes this VLS quite good.
 
ATMACA Anti Ship Missiles sub launched capsule system was shown to the public Today during inauguration of Reis Class Type-214TN submarine into service | Capsule launch system is likely to be used for Gezgin land attack missile (Turkish version of the Tomahawk or MdCN – NCM)
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NEW GENERATION G/M CAPSULE

Future Concept: Long-Range Capsule

Control propulsion system, battery, mission computer, inertial measurement unit, and propulsion system added to increase range:
  • Protection of submarine's stealth
  • Optimal use of the operational area
  • Capability of sudden attack, limited reaction time
  • Underwater/surface trajectory/concept optimization
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MUGEM aircraft carrier
https://twitter.com/x/status/1827690726358127069
View: https://x.com/T_Nblty/status/1827690726358127069

Source - https://www.trthaber.com/haber/bilim-teknoloji/mavi-vatana-milli-ucak-gemisi-geliyor-874479.html

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MUGEM (National Aircraft Carrier)

Aircraft​

Minimum 50 manned and unmanned aircraft
  • Baykar, TB-3
  • TUSAŞ, ANKA-3
  • TUSAŞ, HÜRJET
  • Baykar, KIZILELMA

Personnel​

  • 400-500 personnel
  • Role-2 Level Medical Facilities

Other Capabilities​

  • 10,000 nautical miles range at 14 knots (6104 km)
  • Maneuvering ability in sea state 6 and higher
  • Logistic support capability with two helicopters

Main Propulsion System (ATS)​

The main propulsion system has high reliability, performance enhancement, and cost-effective COGAG configuration.
  • COGAG Configuration
  • Bow Thruster: Easier docking
  • 4 Gas Turbines: High maneuverability
  • 2 Variable Pitch Propellers (CPP): Efficient maneuverability
General Specs
  • Full length: 285 meters
  • Maximum width: 72 meters
  • Draft: 10.1 meters
  • Displacement: 60,000 tons
  • Maximum speed: 25 knots
  • Aircraft Landing/Take-off System: STOBAR
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Looks like it will have 4x MIDLAS VLS total 32x cells and 4x GOKDENIZ CIWS for self defence
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Combat-Master said:
MUGEM aircraft carrier
https://twitter.com/x/status/1827690726358127069
View: https://x.com/T_Nblty/status/1827690726358127069

Source - https://www.trthaber.com/haber/bilim-teknoloji/mavi-vatana-milli-ucak-gemisi-geliyor-874479.html

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MUGEM (National Aircraft Carrier)

Aircraft​

Minimum 50 manned and unmanned aircraft
  • Baykar, TB-3
  • TUSAŞ, ANKA-3
  • TUSAŞ, HÜRJET
  • Baykar, KIZILELMA

Personnel​

  • 400-500 personnel
  • Role-2 Level Medical Facilities

Other Capabilities​

  • 10,000 nautical miles range at 14 knots (6104 km)
  • Maneuvering ability in sea state 6 and higher
  • Logistic support capability with two helicopters

Main Propulsion System (ATS)​

The main propulsion system has high reliability, performance enhancement, and cost-effective COGAG configuration.
  • COGAG Configuration
  • Bow Thruster: Easier docking
  • 4 Gas Turbines: High maneuverability
  • 2 Variable Pitch Propellers (CPP): Efficient maneuverability
General Specs
  • Full length: 285 meters
  • Maximum width: 72 meters
  • Draft: 10.1 meters
  • Displacement: 60,000 tons
  • Maximum speed: 25 knots
  • Aircraft Landing/Take-off System: STOBAR
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Looks like it will have 4x MIDLAS VLS total 32x cells and 4x GOKDENIZ CIWS for self defence
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There's a thread for this project: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/turkish-aircraft-carrier-concept.43031/page-2
 
SUB launched Anti air missile in development -
The infographic states that air defence missiles can be launched from the capsule in addition to anti-ship missiles. The self-defence of submarines against ASW helicopters has been brought up in the past two decades with developments like the fibre-optic/IIR-guided IDAS missile.

The idea is to have a missile that can be controlled through a fibre-optic cable from the launch capsule communicating with the submarine to acquire low-flying aircraft.

The submarine can guide the missile with its periscope or send commands to the missile when it detects sonar emissions from a helicopter. In addition to IDAS being the only missile to be developed for submarine-based air defence, the IDAS programme being run under a consortium that includes ROKETSAN might give some hints on the characteristics of the Hisar Derin missile.

To obtain these capabilities, “a lot of” underwater launch tests will be necessary, especially when this is a new field for Turkiye. To ease up this process, TÜBİTAK SAGE has developed the underwater launch testbed DATA which can be used in different depths.

While it will be a challenge for the industry to develop submarine-based missiles, payoff in the form of stand-off attack capability against enemy ships and land targets will be a strategic advantage that only a few countries possess.
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TUBITAK SAGE DATA
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj7B1U8B0DE
 
Scott Kenny said:
For certain environments, where the sub cannot easily go deep to break contact, it makes sense. Baltic Sea, Black Sea, Med.
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I suppose it could be used for such purpose, however this is a launch mechanism for development purposes of sub launched munitions

Interestingly, they test launch an inert UGM-84 capsule
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And also has a shot of Turkey's ATMACA capsule
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I guess the construction could begin any day now
Countdown Has Started!
Turkey's first domestic and national Air Defense Warfare Destroyer TF-2000, which was designed by the Naval Forces Command Design Project Office, whose construction decision was taken at the Defense Industry Executive Committee (SSİK) Meeting, and will be built at the Istanbul Shipyard Command under the Main Contractorship of ASFAT

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1837104260804124905
View: https://x.com/MSB_ASFAT/status/1837104260804124905
 
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