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The Korean is a direct competitor of the LTS, but without weapon bays and a promising engine.
It will be interesting to compare them
It will be interesting to compare them
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Checkmates main competitor will be FC-31, assuming the Chinese allow it to be exported.
I don’t think the Koreans will find any buyers who aren’t either in the F-35 camp or Checkmate/FC-31 camp already in terms of politics.
Considering that the Chinese scored an own goal in that they never allowed the J-20 to be exported even in an internationalised variant, then I think that I could expect the same thing to happen to the FC-31 as well, so I hope that Sukhoi should take advantage of this situation as well and to export as many Su-75s as possible.
I know what you mean, but technically they are the closest. They are the only single engine 5th gen multirole fighters, with pretty similar sizes, payloads, ranges and features. But for political issues, they are natural competitors.I don't really think F-35 is in anyway a competitor of Checkmate in the export market.
These programs are calculated not just with the current political context in mind, but with a perspective of at least 15-20 years. What today seems impossible tomorrow may be completely normal. Said for CAATSA, economical constraints, political alignments, balance of force regional and global... our current understanding is quite short lived.A country which could buy the F-35, ie. which that would be granted EL without problem wouldn't consider Checkmate in its very nature or vice versa.
The issue with this and other 5th gen projects is mainly the lack of their own engine technology, which totally compromises the available motorization options and hence the planes' layout. They are twin engine, based on F404 derivatives and therefore less optimized economically and also physically bigger. Besides, the exposure to technology restrictions from third countries is something customers may not want to put up with, see the recent flop of Turkish T129 sales to Pakistan for exactly that reason.KF-21 is a in quite of a limbo right there.
As China gets more proficient and gains soft and hard power, their military sales will indeed increase substantially. The advantage of the LTS as said above is its clever layout, very reduced price and single engine architecture. It should be competitive even in price with Chinese alternatives, but the influence of the Chinese economic weight may more than compensate for that.The potentially real and actual competition against Checkmate imo is the FC-31,
The Korean is a direct competitor of the LTS, but without weapon bays and a promising engine.
It will be interesting to compare them
The issue is not with engine itself, or TW ratio (2xF414 combo is slightly more powerful than single F135, and if there will be an EPE engine, KF-21 would eclipse F35 in agility, hell, maybe it will do so from the get go, since Korea doesn't need to compromise design for VSTOL and carrier ops).also not sure if there is an issue with the engine. the F414 provides sufficient thrust.
yes thats exactly why I said that the market for the KF-21 is not the same with the LTS in most cases.The issue is not with engine itself, or TW ratio (2xF414 combo is slightly more powerful than single F135, and if there will be an EPE engine, KF-21 would eclipse F35 in agility, hell, maybe it will do so from the get go, since Korea doesn't need to compromise design for VSTOL and carrier ops).also not sure if there is an issue with the engine. the F414 provides sufficient thrust.
The issue is that KF-21 is not totally indigenous and has a lot of US parts or parts with US intellectual property. That's puts KF-21 export prospects into the question, as I doubt that US will be willing to allow KF-21 to compete with ther own F-35, plus there is always an otion to forbid export in a country that US doesn't like, or even if plane is sold before, simply cease to sell spares for engines and ground entire KF-21 fleet of a country US doesn't like).
This way FC-31 and LTS have it much easier as they are fully indigenous and no 3rd party can block export or support (assuming CAATSA is non factor).
Well that is only partially true since during the early days of C102/202 and C501 models, KAI and ADD considered a single engine layout as well, much more similar to the size of the F-16, as that was closer to what the program was aimed for at the time(better than the F-16 block 52+). Considered propulsion option was a F110-132.Unsurprisingly Russia and US are the only ones betting on single engine designs, mainly because they are the only ones with a valid propulsive solution for this type of plane. In the case of Russia the bet is even more ambitious, since the engine is essentially the same present in the Su-57 and therefore the fleet integration much more complete.
Well with the civilian PD-14 Engines and the coming of final Su-57 engines, the Russian Aviation Industry will take a leap of fait.With respect China is closing in on such capabilities and the UK/ France/ Europe have had this capability for decades.
Indeed Russian military/ fighter engines are arguably less advance than their Rolls Royce and Snecma contemporaries and there is is little basis to to think this will change.
In terms of civil/ non-fighter engines Russian engines are significantly inferior (and this technological superiority of UK & European civil engine technology does feed into and impact the military side).
There is a lot that is simply wrong in this post, in all politeness.With respect China is closing in on such capabilities and the UK/ France/ Europe have had this capability for decades.
Indeed Russian military/ fighter engines are arguably less advance than their Rolls Royce and Snecma contemporaries and there is is little basis to to think this will change.
In terms of civil/ non-fighter engines Russian engines are significantly inferior (and this technological superiority of UK & European civil engine technology does feed into and impact the military side).
There is a lot that is simply wrong in this post, in all politeness.With respect China is closing in on such capabilities and the UK/ France/ Europe have had this capability for decades.
Indeed Russian military/ fighter engines are arguably less advance than their Rolls Royce and Snecma contemporaries and there is is little basis to to think this will change.
In terms of civil/ non-fighter engines Russian engines are significantly inferior (and this technological superiority of UK & European civil engine technology does feed into and impact the military side).
That is the whole point in the discussion, that Europe has (currently) no engines in the size needed for a single engine plane with the capabilities of the LTS or the F-35.Its not in the same thrust class as 117 because it is smaller.
What is the service life? M88 was not famous for having a long one.It is thrust rated reasonably conservatively in favour of long service life.
I hope you are not saying that in earnest. Even a cursory check of known parameters puts them almost one generation apart.Izdeliye 30 should be technically comparable to EJ200 but 20 years later.
Yes, because it was developed at least half generation after. While Europe was busy with the EJ200, Russia was developing the AL-41F which was a true 5th gen engine that received a huge amount of resources. Reported TIT was already more than 100K above the value we have for the EJ200EJ200 is more advanced technologically than 117 which is a modernised AL-31F. Look at the blade counts for fan and compressor, pressure ratio, temperatures, use of blisks and single crystal blades.
Do you have further details? As you say Russia is known to have that technology and they jumped from 1500 hours operational life in their engines to 4000 hours with 1000 h between overhauls with the latest batch of engines like the 117S and the RD-33MK. The izd. 117 is a 15 tf engine for which 5th gen technology level has been explicitly stated.Nope. Russia has that tech for quite some time already but didn't implemented it into serial engines.
I can't find reliable source for 117 engine, but there are good sources for 117S engine used on Su-35, to be compared with EJ200 data.UK and European engine developments, I'm sorry but this is just hilarious, what Euro engine is currently flying that is comparable in class to first stage Izd.117 engines flying right now on Su-57, much less the Izd. 30?
M88s and EJ-200s are just magical apparently. Hyperdrive enabled even!
The Flotprom document is a good find, thank you. Does it say anything about izd. 117S' TIT? I also had that same value you mention, but I did not find any reference to it in the pdf.I can't find reliable source for 117 engine, but there are good sources for 117S engine used on Su-35, to be compared with EJ200 data.
We have quite a few claims already by the designer: TWR is higher than 10, specific thrust is highest around with SFC of AL-31F, generation acc. to specific parameters is 5+/5++Now, when we get good sources on Izd.30 engine - that'll warrant another comparison. It may very well be that Izd.30 shows it's a more advanced engine than EJ200. But let's wait for some sources for such a claim.
Every picture I saw has the red cover blocking any further than a meter or less. Can you provide a link or post one of those images you are referring to? Thanks!Fyi, the Checkmate does not have a bifurcated inlet (Which I had also originally thought). It's a single inlet duct like the F-16. The center support in the inlet functions like that of the F-16s for structural support. There are some good images looking in the inlet further up this thread and you can see that. I'm saying that in reference to the 3D model shown a page back.
Edit: anyway I'll post a render of the inlet I did before July 20th. After MAKS21 show, when I saw that "splitter" down there I thought it was way too wide for being just a structural support, maybe the starting point of a bigger bifurcation around main fuel tank or the rear cockpit of the two seater. And if you can lead me to that images I'll be more than happy to correct my model!
Do you have further details? As you say Russia is known to have that technology and they jumped from 1500 hours operational life in their engines to 4000 hours with 1000 h between overhauls with the latest batch of engines like the 117S and the RD-33MK. The izd. 117 is a 15 tf engine for which 5th gen technology level has been explicitly stated.Nope. Russia has that tech for quite some time already but didn't implemented it into serial engines.
Is the patent for the LTS already published, and did anyone manage to find it?
(54) LIGHT TACTICAL AIRCRAFT
(57) Abstract:
The invention relates to the field of aviation, in particular to light tactical aircraft with low radar visibility. Light tactical aircraft contains a fuselage with side tail booms, wing panels, tail, air intake, power plant and jet nozzle. The side tail booms are developed and end with parts turning on the horizontal axis. On the wing consoles, which have a large sweep, there are swivel socks and internal and external elevons. The tail assembly is V-shaped, the consoles of which are all-moving, performing the function of both horizontal and vertical tail. The air intake is located in the lower part of the fuselage and partially covers it from the bottom side. The technical result is to increase the stability and controllability of the aircraft without deteriorating the characteristics of radar visibility. 5 z.p. f-ly, 3 ill.
The invention relates to the field of aviation, in particular to light tactical aircraft with low radar visibility.
A supersonic convertible aircraft is known from the prior art (see patent RU 2432299 C2, published on October 27, 2011), which contains a fuselage with a lower air intake and a V-tail.
However, the design of the known aircraft has the disadvantage of insufficient stability and controllability of the aircraft, as well as a sufficiently large radar visibility.
The prior art also known aircraft Lockheed F-117А Nighthawk with low radar visibility, made according to the scheme "tailless with a V-tail" without horizontal tail. On the wing of the known aircraft there are deflectable elevons. Pitch and roll control is carried out by elevons, yaw - by all-moving vertical tail.
However, the disadvantage of this aircraft is poor takeoff and landing characteristics, as well as insufficient stability and controllability of the aircraft.
The objective of the claimed invention is to eliminate the shortcomings of aircraft known from the prior art.
Thus, the technical result, to which the claimed invention is directed, is to increase the stability and controllability of the aircraft without deteriorating the characteristics of radar visibility.
Light tactical aircraft contains a fuselage with side tail booms, wing panels, tail, air intake, power plant and jet nozzle. The side tail booms are developed and end with parts turning on the horizontal axis. On the wing consoles, which have a large sweep, there are swivel socks and internal and external elevons. The tail assembly is V-shaped, the consoles of which are all-moving, performing the function of both horizontal and vertical tail. The air intake is located in the lower part of the fuselage and partially covers it from the bottom side.
The rotary jet nozzle is located along the axis of symmetry of the fuselage and is used for control and balancing in flight and is deflectable in the vertical plane.
Rotary jet nozzle is located along the axis of symmetry of the fuselage and is used for control and balancing in flight and is made all-aspect.
The axes of rotation of the consoles of the V-tail are located perpendicular to the axis of the fuselage.
The axis of rotation of the V-tail consoles are located closer to the leading edge of the consoles.
All edges of the air intake are swept.
Further, the claimed invention is explained in more detail by the drawings, in which:
Fig. 1 - claimed aircraft, top view,
Fig. 2 - claimed aircraft, front view,
Fig. 3 - claimed aircraft, side view.
The claimed light tactical aircraft contains a fuselage (1) with developed side tail booms (2) and an air intake (10) of the power plant, wing consoles (3) and a V-tail (4). The air intake (10) is located in the lower part of the fuselage (1) and partially covers it from the bottom side (see Fig. 2). Wing consoles (3) are made of large sweep (40-55°) and have deflectable wing tips (6). On the trailing edge of the wing console (3) there are internal (7) and external (8) elevons. The side tail booms (2) end in turning parts (5), which act as elevators. V-shaped tail (4) is made all-moving simultaneously plays the role of horizontal and vertical tail, and provides the ability to control the aircraft in the longitudinal channel with in-phase deviation and in the transverse channel with differential deviation, and also provides stability and controllability in the track channel at all flight speeds and provides the function of air braking. Road stability at supersonic flight speeds with insufficient static stability is provided artificially, due to the deflection of the consoles V-tail (4). When a disturbance of the atmosphere or a gust of wind occurs in the track channel, the in-phase deviation of the V-shaped tail surfaces (4) in the direction of parrying the disturbance is carried out. This solution makes it possible to reduce the empennage area, thereby reducing the mass and drag of the empennage and the aircraft as a whole.
The axes of rotation of the consoles of the V-tail are located perpendicular to the axis of the fuselage and are located closer to the leading edge of each console.
Wing mechanization (3) is used to provide control in the pitch and roll channels, to increase lift. The rotary toe (6) of the wing is used to increase the critical angle of attack and ensure a shockless flow around the wing (3), for flight "along the polar envelope" in the takeoff, landing, maneuvering and cruising subsonic flight modes. The elevons (7, 8) are designed to control the aircraft in pitch by in-phase up-down deviation, to increase lift during in-phase downward deviation in various modes by increasing the curvature of the wing median surface, and to control roll in case of differential deviation. When providing the air braking function, the elevons (7, 8) deviate together with other organs in such a way that
The rotary parts (5) of the side tail booms, when deflected up and down, are used for pitch control, performing the functions of an elevator, in takeoff and landing modes they serve to compensate for the dive moment that occurs when the elevons (7, 8) are deflected to increase the wing lift. When providing the air braking function, the rotary parts 5 deviate together with other bodies, providing an increase in resistance and a zero increment in the total pitching moment.
The execution of all edges of the air intake swept provides a reduction in the level of radar visibility of the aircraft.
Rotary jet nozzle (9) of the aircraft engine is located along the axis of symmetry of the fuselage and is used for control and balancing in flight;
All available controls (V-tail, wing tips, elevons, rotary parts of the beam) while deflecting increase aerodynamic drag, thereby performing the function of brake flaps.
The presence of all the above controls in the design of the aircraft together make it possible to move the zones of occurrence of unbalanced static instability of the aircraft in the longitudinal and track control channels to the range of angles of attack of 15 ° or more, to increase the bearing properties and reduce the resistance of this aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, which is confirmed by calculations and testing the model in wind tunnels, and allow us to have operational angles of attack, the level of aerodynamic quality, providing a significant improvement in cruising, maneuvering and takeoff and landing characteristics compared to known analogues.
Given the layout of a light tactical aircraft due to the claimed design provides maximum controllability of the aircraft in any flight modes and does not increase the radar visibility of the aircraft.
Claim
1. A light tactical aircraft containing a fuselage with side tail booms, wing consoles, tail assembly, an air intake, a power plant and a rotary jet nozzle, characterized in that the side tail booms are developed and end with parts turning on a horizontal axis, on wing consoles having large sweep, swivel socks and internal and external elevons are located, and the tail unit is V-shaped, the consoles of which are all-moving, performing the function of both horizontal and vertical tail, and the air intake is located in the lower part of the fuselage and partially covers it from the underside.
2. Light tactical aircraft according to claim 1, characterized in that the rotary jet nozzle is located along the axis of symmetry of the fuselage and is used for control and balancing in flight and is deflectable in a vertical plane.
3. Light tactical aircraft according to claim 1, characterized in that the rotary jet nozzle is located along the axis of symmetry of the fuselage and is used for control and balancing in flight and is made all-aspect.
4. Light tactical aircraft according to claim 1, characterized in that the axis of rotation of the consoles of the V-tail is perpendicular to the axis of the fuselage.
5. Light tactical aircraft according to claim 4, characterized in that the axis of rotation of the V-tail consoles is located closer to the leading edge of the consoles.
6. Light tactical aircraft according to claim 1, characterized in that all edges of the air intake are swept.
Nah, the F-35 just chose to dominate every domain, real or imaginary.Is that the F-35 program office having fun because it is April Fools day by any chance?