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<blockquote data-quote="_Del_" data-source="post: 303474" data-attributes="member: 8513"><blockquote data-quote="sferrin"><blockquote data-quote="_Del_"><p>When you could have two SSC's and an F-35B for the cost of a pair of Super Stallions, I think raising questions about costs and opportunity costs under budget constraints is pretty fair. Not hilarious. Just me.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>It IS hilarious. "Most expensive helicopter in the world." Okay, which helicopter should logically cost more than a CH-53K. Not more than what a CH-53K DOES cost but which helicopter in the world can you point to and say, "by all rights, that helicopter should cost more than a CH-53K"?</p><p></p><p>Also, consider the computer CPU in your car. You could get several tires for the price of that CPU (don't believe me, just wait until you have to buy a new one). Why not just tell the dealer you want them to keep the CPU and give you a few extra tires instead? Yes, that's how ridiculous this whole discussion is. You have to have all the pieces.</p></blockquote><p></p><p>A far better metaphor might be that I need transportation, but I also need to rewire electrical and fix the plumbing on my house, make my mortgage payments, eat, and pay other bills on a fixed budget.</p><p>You're playing the part of the salesman trying to convince me I need the Bentley Bentayga, and of course it's expensive because it's the fastest SUV on the market.</p><p>The question isn't should the CH-53K be that expensive. The question is do I need Bentayga at the opportunity cost of not replumbing, or missing a mortgage payment, or eating, etc.</p><p>An M3 might be great value. Worth every penny. But that is a different discussion from "Can I afford that car payment with this budget? Can I make do with less on this budget when I have other pressing needs?"</p><p></p><p>Is the Marine Corps better served with 50 Kings or 60 MV-22's and enough extra money for 10 F-35's? Or however you want to parse the opportunity costs. I think those are extremely relevant questions for every project for all branches of service.</p><p></p><p>The argument is not, "We should make a helicopter with the same characteristics and performance as a King Stallion for less money". A couple people did say, "Do we really need a helicopter with that performance if it costs that much?" If your answer is "Of course it is expensive. It is a high performance helicopter. How much do you think it should cost", you are answering questions we're not asking.</p><p></p><p>[Quote author=Triton]So the real question is, is there $126.677 million in value to the United States Marines for each CH-53K King Stallion?</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I'm not sure why it's hilarious or why LM is a martyr in this scenario :<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="_Del_, post: 303474, member: 8513"] [quote="sferrin"] [quote="_Del_"] When you could have two SSC's and an F-35B for the cost of a pair of Super Stallions, I think raising questions about costs and opportunity costs under budget constraints is pretty fair. Not hilarious. Just me. [/quote] It IS hilarious. "Most expensive helicopter in the world." Okay, which helicopter should logically cost more than a CH-53K. Not more than what a CH-53K DOES cost but which helicopter in the world can you point to and say, "by all rights, that helicopter should cost more than a CH-53K"? Also, consider the computer CPU in your car. You could get several tires for the price of that CPU (don't believe me, just wait until you have to buy a new one). Why not just tell the dealer you want them to keep the CPU and give you a few extra tires instead? Yes, that's how ridiculous this whole discussion is. You have to have all the pieces. [/quote] A far better metaphor might be that I need transportation, but I also need to rewire electrical and fix the plumbing on my house, make my mortgage payments, eat, and pay other bills on a fixed budget. You're playing the part of the salesman trying to convince me I need the Bentley Bentayga, and of course it's expensive because it's the fastest SUV on the market. The question isn't should the CH-53K be that expensive. The question is do I need Bentayga at the opportunity cost of not replumbing, or missing a mortgage payment, or eating, etc. An M3 might be great value. Worth every penny. But that is a different discussion from "Can I afford that car payment with this budget? Can I make do with less on this budget when I have other pressing needs?" Is the Marine Corps better served with 50 Kings or 60 MV-22's and enough extra money for 10 F-35's? Or however you want to parse the opportunity costs. I think those are extremely relevant questions for every project for all branches of service. The argument is not, "We should make a helicopter with the same characteristics and performance as a King Stallion for less money". A couple people did say, "Do we really need a helicopter with that performance if it costs that much?" If your answer is "Of course it is expensive. It is a high performance helicopter. How much do you think it should cost", you are answering questions we're not asking. [Quote author=Triton]So the real question is, is there $126.677 million in value to the United States Marines for each CH-53K King Stallion? [/quote] I'm not sure why it's hilarious or why LM is a martyr in this scenario ::) [/QUOTE]
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