Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey

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Rumour had had it that Christopher Nolan's next project after Oppenheimer would be a remake of The Prisoner, but it's The Odyssey. Some news here, including set probably representing Troy under construction.

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It'll be interesting to see how Nolan tackles the narrative, which is very episodic - but then I think that he'll do it inventively. I just hope that it'll be more like Inception or Dunkirk rather than the mess of Tenet.
 
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While the Illiad and Odyssey are mythological poetic epics, not history, they are set in the 'olden times' of Homer (assuming he existed), as the Arthurian legends were in the far past of Thomas Mallory. Most films drawing on these sources have had Classical or Hellenic style while the events we call the 'Trojan War' probably took place in the Bronze age, not long before the Greek Dark Age that began c. 1100 BC - roughly late in the time of the Hittite Empire or Egypt's 19th Dynasty (Ramesses II for example). 'Troy 7' (of about ten layers of the city - if you fail at first, Troy, Troy again... sorry) shows evidence of violence and fire. Other layers seem to have been demolished by earthquakes.

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If Nolan is going to research as well as he had for other films, we certainly won't see anything that looks like 300 or Troy. If the set under construction in the photo is meant to be Troy, then we'll see something more authentically Bronze Age in style.
 
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Anyway, as we know, The Odyssey takes place after Troy and at sea. In fact, just last year there was a film about Odysseus' return to Ithaca, called, um, The Return. So-so as a film but Ralph Fiennes is terrific as an Odysseus struggling with PTSD, guilt, and anger (especially the latter, as the suitors of Penelope discover).
 
I've finally watched it (at the closest thing from an IMAX theater in my home city). My mind is completely blown. The visuals are beautiful, what an epic show. What a wild ride. Three hours ? what three hours ?
 
Folks try to hard to read into things , i am quite certain greeks at the time knew how to read between the lines

My favorite thing about The Odyssey is that when you notice how the poem is structured, the whole thing starts looking like Odysseus is just making up an alibi after coming home from a 10-year Fuckboy Tour of the Mediterranean.

See, the parts of The Odyssey that Homer narrates directly are surprisingly grounded. At the beginning we see Ithaca, Telemachus travels around looking for news of his father, and so on. At the end Odysseus returns, kills the suitors, and everyone is happy (except for the suitors). The gods interfere constantly because this is ancient Greece, but mostly it's a story about people doing people shit just like The Iliad.

But in the middle section, the narration very conspicuously shifts from Homer to Odysseus himself. He's explaining to the Phaeacians why it took him ten years to sail home from Troy, and suddenly we're dealing with one-eyed giants, cannibal armies, a witch who turns men into pigs, magic bags full of wind, six-headed sea monsters, and a trip to the Underworld.

Odysseus tells his story to the Phaeacians while he is stranded, broke, and in desperate need of a ship home. And remember that Odysseus is not merely capable of lying – lying is basically his superpower. He routinely invents elaborate fake biographies for himself at the drop of a hat, to the point that even Athena is impressed with his capacity for deception. He is canonically the original male manipulator.
And it makes sense why Homer depicts Odysseus telling all of this to the Phaeacians instead of the much-less-gullible Penelope, since you can imagine how his story would have gone over with her:
"Odysseus, the Trojan War ended 10 years ago. Where have you been all this time?"
"See what had happened was, we were gonna come straight home – but then when we were in sight of Ithaca, my men opened this magic bag of wind while I was asleep and it blew us to the other side of the ocean."
"Why did they open the bag after you told them not to?"
"Ah, well, see, I sort of forgot."
"Your men all died because you had a magic bag of wind that you forgot to tell them not to open and then took a nap?"
"No, they were all fine! But see, then a cyclops and some giant cannibals killed most of the men, and a witch turned the rest into pigs. But don't worry, they got better."
"They got better?"
"Well sure, the witch changed them back after I slept with her."
"...I see. Well, I suppose you had to save your men."
"Exactly! And so after a year with her-"
"You slept with her for A YEAR?"
"Hermes told me to, baby!"
"The god Hermes told you to fuck another woman. For a year."
"Penelope, who am I to question the will of the gods? So then we went to the Underworld, and after a quick detour back to see Circe again-"
"YOU WENT BACK?"
"It was important, babe! She had to tell us how to avoid all the sea monsters!"
"The sea monsters."
"Oh, sure – loads of sea monsters out there. The sea is lousy with monsters these days."
"Uh huh. And did you sleep with her again?"
"I mean, it would have been rude not to..."
"ODYSSEUS."
"Will of the gods, baby, will of the gods! So anyway we're headed home for real this time, but the men ignored my extremely excellent advice and ate one of Helios' sacred cattle while I was asleep, and Zeus killed them all. Damndest thing. So I wash up naked on this beach with a beautiful nymph, and well, one thing kinda led to another..."
"Did you sleep with her for a year too?"
"Of course not!"
"Well, that's a relief."
"It was seven."
"SEVEN?"
"She bewitched me! I was bewitched! Can't fault a guy for what he does when he's bewitched, can you?"
"And did you meet any other women on this epic journey of yours?"
"Well, there was this teenage princess..."
"ODYSSEUS!"
"Nothing happened, babe, I swear! I just washed up naked on the beach right in front of her. Nice girl, you'd like her."
"Odysseus, this is the second time you've just happened to wash up naked on a beach right in front of a beautiful woman."
"I know! Crazy, right? Anyway, when I told her parents everything that had happened, they were so amazed that they gave me all this gold and a ride straight home so I could be with my beloved."
"After 10 years."
"Well yeah, straight home after 10 years. Don't forget the sea monsters, babe!"
"The sea monsters that you are conveniently the only person left alive to have witnessed."
"I don't love where you're going with that..."
"Odysseus, do you know what I did while you were gone?"
"...Waited faithfully for me?"
"I raised your son, ran your kingdom, kept a hundred men from taking your throne, and spent three years weaving and unweaving the same fucking burial shroud every night to keep them off my back."
"That's... actually very clever."
"Thank you."
"You know, between the two of us, that's really more my–"
"Finish that sentence and I'm sending you back to the Cyclops."
 
To be honest
Why should i ride around 128 km to nearest IMAX theatre and spend 3 hours of my lifetime on this Movie ?
Sorry that not worth the effort...
 
Who pays hundreds of millions for work that is known in advance to generate significant economic losses?

Haven't paid too much attention to the financials but at a headline level Nolan's Odyssey appears to have passed its break-even threshold a good while ago. I've also seen reporting that there was something of an effort by certain people to declare the movie a failure even before it was released because they disagreed with its casting (Nyong'o, Page, feature highly in these argument). Even my YouTube front page had sensational thumbnails for a while for no good reason about the movie "sucking" and being "inauthentic" even if wasn't released yet.

In my particular algorithmic bubble the most meaningful critique of the film came from Emily Wilson who has done the most feted Odyssey translation (into English) of late. In her London Review of Books' essay "An Uncomplicated Man" (Her own translation begins with the words "Tell me about a complicated man"), not unlike a Greek goddess, she damns Nolan's (ho-)manhood in directing with faint praise while pointing out copious emotional, thematic and other omissions . Nolan had said that he was inspired by Wilson's translation so I guess she felt something of a duty to examine where their inspirations diverged so as these respective works not become inexorably intertwined in the public (and possibly academic) imagination.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v48/n14/emily-wilson/an-uncomplicated-man

Here she is on a podcast:

View: https://youtu.be/onDDNKHXMTA


Whereafter I was also offered this:

View: https://youtu.be/wBwBoM11JiM


I've also seen Count Binface preface a recent appearance by quoting the Odyssey (at some length) in Homeric Greek, simultaneously baffling and amusing his hosts. Turns out the comedian is an Oxford Classics graduate. That's the Odyssey for you; even if you throw it in a bin, it keeps coming back.
 
The truth?
Despite what people say the Iliad/Odyssey is still the best european coverup story there is. It's much better than the other equal coverup for the pilaging, enslaving, and genocide of the bloody barbarian Scythians, today's Ukraine, in the Argonauts.
What else do you expect from the people that are proud about inventing the word barbarian and introducing racism into european sociel mindset? It's the one things that sets them aside from the rest of human history around the world.
It's another proof of the power of the feather (of the victor) vs. the sword.
The only other compareable story would be the Sindbad the sailor and Ali Baba and the forty thieves, though, but the scope is different comparing piracy to conquest.
 
Haven't paid too much attention to the financials but at a headline level Nolan's Odyssey appears to have passed its break-even threshold a good while ago. I've also seen reporting that there was something of an effort by certain people to declare the movie a failure even before it was released because they disagreed with its casting (Nyong'o, Page, feature highly in these argument). Even my YouTube front page had sensational thumbnails for a while for no good reason about the movie "sucking" and being "inauthentic" even if wasn't released yet.

In my particular algorithmic bubble the most meaningful critique of the film came from Emily Wilson who has done the most feted Odyssey translation (into English) of late. In her London Review of Books' essay "An Uncomplicated Man" (Her own translation begins with the words "Tell me about a complicated man"), not unlike a Greek goddess, she damns Nolan's (ho-)manhood in directing with faint praise while pointing out copious emotional, thematic and other omissions . Nolan had said that he was inspired by Wilson's translation so I guess she felt something of a duty to examine where their inspirations diverged so as these respective works not become inexorably intertwined in the public (and possibly academic) imagination.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v48/n14/emily-wilson/an-uncomplicated-man

Here she is on a podcast:

View: https://youtu.be/onDDNKHXMTA


Whereafter I was also offered this:

View: https://youtu.be/wBwBoM11JiM


I've also seen Count Binface preface a recent appearance by quoting the Odyssey (at some length) in Homeric Greek, simultaneously baffling and amusing his hosts. Turns out the comedian is an Oxford Classics graduate. That's the Odyssey for you; even if you throw it in a bin, it keeps coming back.
To me it seems like a provocation aimed at scandalizing a bourgeois and conservative public that ceased to exist in the nineties.

I don't know for what purpose they continue with the same narrative structure as the last century but it is clear that the money they lose has no value for them.
 
Hello everyone, I haven't had the chance to watch the movie 'Odyssee' yet. However, to add a touch of humor to this topic, here is an AI-generated mix of 'Odyssey' and 'Apocalypse Now'. :D:p
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Love it, In a similar way Joseph Conrad's Congo novella 'Heart of Darkness' was used as a basis for 'Apocalypse Now', the Homeric epic 'the Odyssey' might work given similar treatment ? :)
 
I don't know for what purpose they continue with the same narrative structure as the last century but it is clear that the money they lose has no value for them.
I am confused. This is a thread about Nolan's The Odyssey, which as of 18 August has a gross revenue of $1,335 billion, with $250 million production costs.
Who is losing money on what? The Odyssey is making money.
 
Scythians

There were/are many peoples and cultures in Europe I wish we'd know better.

(cartoon) ...

Funny, but hopefully not too prophetic.

Where my mind goes, beyond the immediate parallels in the image: in the U.S. the ruler isn't (constitutionally) a king (Odysseus being the king of Ithaca as well as the captain) but democracy itself. The suitors of Penelope (Statue of Liberty, soul of the nation at home though she can't be perfectly conflated with Eleutheria/Libertas), the pretenders to power loitering in the institutions presume the king dead, helping themselves to the resources and demanding a change of regime. Telemachus as the progeny of democracy (constitutional order, rule of law?) is fragile on his own, generationally without an experience of an era of stability or peace, playing for time as much as the civic spirit of Penelope and just vying to survive.

Democracy will return from its distracted wonderings but much changed and initially unrecognizable through great strife and trauma. Digital/social media is replacing or degrading what is traditionally thought of as literacy just as the Bronze Age collapsed, so perhaps after another 400 years (the historical span between whatever the Odyssey really was and its telling) some Homer analogue will shift a tall tale from the sands of influencer short form videos (the "bards" of our time), may Hermes, Athena and Mnemosyne (evolved AIs by then?) keep her/him.
 
Well I should have known, contrasted opinions with some negativity... well I will not try to convert anybody, my 2cts is: I went to see this movie as if it was a Cecile B. De Mile epic. For the show, the visuals - the thrills. Since Inception (and Interstellar, and Dunkirk, and Oppenheimer) I knew Nolan would deliver one heck of a show... and he did. It was like a fun ride at an amusement park.
 
I was a bit disappointed by some of the material culture shown - so I didn't see it. But I suspect it is better than Troy. That said, my taste in Homeric epic adaptations is highly questionable given that my preference is for the Helen of Troy (2003), likely due to some of the casting choices and the fact that it has very competent actors but the budget means that, at times, it has a certain amount of camp.

Anyway, this video points out some of the potential historical inaccuracies in Homer:

 

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