French 6th generation fighter

I'm not totally sold that a reduced size stealth aircraft will be all that much cheaper.
There's no particular reason it won't be. Stealth aircraft don't have a separate price curve, what they have is a similar development cost firewall.
But when passed, you use it the way you need.
I mean, people are buying Su57-sized airframes, and those are 75,000lbs/34tonnes. (Frankly, SCAF/Fr6gen's two named missions make it sound like it will look an awful lot like a Su-57.)
In most cases, either for a lack of better (competitive) option, or for a cool factor.
Flanker in many ways broke the market.
 
Good news... 2.6B euros have been allocated to start development of the NGF prototype in 2027.

This money will be spent over 2027-2030+, with additional budget credits to be allocated in 2029 for development of the actual operational NGF. Also note that an even larger budget is being spent concurrently on development of Rafale F5 avionics and uprated M88 TRex engine, a large part of which will likely carry over into the NGF.

Finally, cooperation with Germany may continue on the Combat Cloud, however terms have "yet to be defined". The door is also left open to a "new cooperation framework" for the the NGF fighter.

In June 2026, Germany announced its withdrawal from cooperation on the NGF aircraft. Only certain work currently being carried out cooperatively—primarily on the Combat Cloud—might continue as a joint effort between the two countries, under terms yet to be defined. The core of the SCAF program (including the NGF aircraft), previously conducted in cooperation with Germany and Spain, will therefore be carried out under a new format: either on a national basis or within a new cooperation framework.

  • The first phase of demonstration work, conducted cooperatively, was launched in December 2022 with the award of the NGWS contract.
  • The second phase of demonstration work, including the maiden flight of the NGF prototype, will be launched in 2027.
  • Development of the operational aircraft will begin in 2029.

Budget Credits per Year
2022: €45m
2023: €336m
2024: €480m
2025: €363m
2026: €570m
2027: €568m
2028: €671m
2029: €686m
2030+: €1,167m
Source: 2027 French budget
https://www.budget.gouv.fr/document...27/projet-loi-finances/budget-general/defense
 
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Good news... 2.6B euros have been allocated to start development of the NGF prototype in 2027.

This money will be spent over 2027-2030+, with additional budget credits to be allocated in 2029 for development of the actual operational NGF. Also note that an even larger budget is being spent concurrently on development of Rafale F5 avionics and uprated M88 TRex engine, a large part of which will likely carry over into the NGF.

Finally, cooperation with Germany may continue on the Combat Cloud, however terms have "yet to be defined". The door is also left open to a "new cooperation framework" for the the NGF fighter.


Source: 2027 French budget
https://www.budget.gouv.fr/document...27/projet-loi-finances/budget-general/defense
2.6 Billion for a French demonstrator ?
 
Capture d'écran 2026-10-02 220144.png I'm not sure I understand the question mark!

Are you asking for clarification on something or expressing doubts about the amount, the fact that the French are pursuing this demonstrator, or something else?
I find the answer , very good news for the futur Fighter 2.7 billion a lot of money, the SCAF restart and this time only France on it.
 
Rafale’s successor: France sets the 2027 and 2029 milestones for the NGF on its own, following Germany’s withdrawal.
By Julien Lausson

The NGF goes it alone.

According to the 2027 budget documents, the Ministry of the Armed Forces will launch the phase aimed at getting a prototype of the Rafale’s successor airborne in 2027, followed by the development of the production aircraft in 2029. France is now leading this project alone, following Germany’s withdrawal in June.
It has been official since 8 June: there will be no joint fighter aircraft between France and Germany under the SCAF programme (Future Air Combat System, in which Spain is also participating), as Berlin has chosen to withdraw from the project. France, however, still needs an aircraft to succeed the Rafale.

The Ministry of the Armed Forces is therefore pressing ahead with its plans for a new-generation fighter, without Germany. As noted on Thursday 8 October by the specialist website Zone Militaire, which cites an annex to the draft Finance Bill for 2027 devoted to military equipment, preparations for the post-Rafale era are set to begin in the coming years.

“The core of the SCAF programme (including the New Generation Fighter) […] will therefore be carried out in a new format, either at national level or within a new framework,” states the budget document. As for the rest, “only certain work currently being carried out in cooperation, mainly on the combat cloud, could continue as a joint effort between the two countries. ”

The document sets out two dates for this NGF, which will now be a national programme. In 2027, the second demonstration phase will begin, during which a prototype is due to take flight. In 2029, development of the operational aircraft will commence. However, it should not be assumed that this NGF will be in service by that time.

On Thursday 8 October, during a hearing at the National Assembly, the Minister for the Armed Forces, Catherine Vautrin, confirmed that the programme had once again become a national one. As early as July, the Ministry had begun work on the NGF independently in order to meet the original timetable, which aims for operational capability ‘in the early 2040s’. The studies carried out in cooperation with other partners will be reused, and “we have not lost any money”, she assured.

In the meantime, the Rafale continues to evolve to remain effective in combat. Recently, the aircraft was upgraded to the F4 standard, with two further upgrades: F4.1 (in 2023) and F4.2 (in 2025). The next upgrade, F4.3, is currently under evaluation. The biggest leap forward will come with the Rafale F5, which is being billed as a genuine breakthrough.

Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, has often stated that his company could design a next-generation fighter (NGF) from scratch on its own, highlighting the Rafale, which was developed without any foreign partners. But if international cooperation were to be established, with which nation could France forge an agreement? Options are beginning to run out.

The United States has its own programme, Boeing’s F-47, which was selected in March 2025. The United Kingdom, Italy and Japan are tied to a rival programme, the GCAP, which Germany is considering joining: the German Ministry of Defence has confirmed preliminary discussions. Berlin has also opened talks with Madrid to develop a fighter aircraft together.

But there has also been talk of an alliance between France and Sweden… or with India.
What I see is they want to start the development of an airframe pretty quickly, while Rafale F5 enters service, and then taking time for developing all systems and uses concepts using first some Rafale F5 stuff, then NGF specific systems tailored according to what they found is needed and can get.
 
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What I see is they want to start the development of an airframe pretty quickly,
Development may have already started since the greenlight was given in July 2026 according to the French Defense Minister's parliamentary statement yesterday:

In July 2026, it was decided to launch national work on the critical path of what we call the NGF, allowing us to secure the initial schedule aimed at having an operational capability by the early 2040s.

And so we are moving forward, and the work that has already been completed has largely allowed the manufacturers to make progress, and this work will be reused. So we have not lost any money, since today the budget credits have been allocated to the Turenne 2 [propulsion] and Deltour (?) 2 programs, which are the programs that will effectively be the successors to the Rafale.

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