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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #90 on: August 10, 2017, 12:35:33 pm »
Sea Sparrow and ESSM have from time to time. Not able to dig out any information at the moment though.

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #91 on: August 10, 2017, 01:06:50 pm »
In the recent past, ESSM Block 1 was launched from NASAMS and was offered but Raytheon then switched it to the AMRAAM-ER configuration since according to it most of the customers were interested in an active seeker weapon.
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #92 on: August 10, 2017, 07:21:58 pm »
In the recent past, ESSM Block 1 was launched from NASAMS and was offered but Raytheon then switched it to the AMRAAM-ER configuration since according to it most of the customers were interested in an active seeker weapon.

This is a bit off topic, but I wonder if MBDA will ever offer up a SL-Meteor as a competitor to SLAMRAAM. It would be a superior missile to any AMRAAM within the same range and a bit further and electrically compatible (IIRC Meteor is backwards compatible with AMRAAM plugs and rails) with the NASAMS box launchers.

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2017, 02:20:40 am »
A longer ranged AMRAAM is on offer for NASAMS in the AMRAAM-ER. Sure an SL-Meteor could be designed, but one advantage for current and future customers of the system is that they can take their standard AMRAAM stocks and orders and use them on the NASAMS, something that is a drawback even for the ER version. Moreover, cost is also likely to play a role here since many NASAM customers and perspective operators are already AMRAAM users and have it integrated with their fighters. I think from a capabilities and cost perspective, integrating the SkyCeptor with NASAMS is probably a better idea than the Meteor given the Stunners cost and the ability to go after the cheaper, shorter ranged ballistic missiles. The Sentinel A4 would open up NASAMS to longer range intercepts so most operators will likely shop around for options when they look to upgrade the system..

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2017, 09:47:10 am »
From FBO for November 20, 2017


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The Naval Sea Systems Command intends to award STANDARD Missile-2 Block IIIC EMD and LRIP
requirements on a sole source basis to Raytheon Company, 1151 East Hermans Road, Tucson,
Arizona 85706. The requirement consists of leveraging existing fielded designs from both the
STANDARD Missile-2 and STANDARD Missile-6 to develop the SM-2 Block IIIC All-Up-Round (AUR) design
and produce Low Rate Initial Production AURs.

my emphasis

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2017, 09:52:19 am »
Sounds like the intent is basically an SM-6 sans booster to replace the current SM-2 Block IIIBs.  BTW whatever happened to the plan to add TVC (among other things) to SM-2 to enable more effectiveness against sea-skimmers?  Anybody know what THAT mod was supposed to be called?
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2017, 10:58:47 am »
Sounds like the intent is basically an SM-6 sans booster to replace the current SM-2 Block IIIBs.  BTW whatever happened to the plan to add TVC (among other things) to SM-2 to enable more effectiveness against sea-skimmers?  Anybody know what THAT mod was supposed to be called?

They really need to standardize their nomneclature a bit.

The FY18 Budget request refers to this missile as SM-2 Active or SM-6 MR.

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Documents/18pres/WPN_Book.pdf

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SM-2 ACTIVE: SM-2 Improvements will bring the SM-2 medium range missile into the family of active missiles as an active MR missile. SM-2 Active (or SM-6 MR) provides enhanced Stream-Raid performance against numerous threats to include agile prism via target resolution in range and Doppler and missile/target pairing logic, over-the-horizon capability for increased depth of fire, enhanced capability against electronic attack, improved firepower due to decreased dependence on illuminators, and enhanced fuzing via guidance integrated fuzing. Effort leverages to the maximum extent existing SM-6 infrastructure and industrial manufacturing capability. The inventory objective is 1,000 units.

It also refers to SM-2 Block IIIAZ, which is a IIIA modified to work with the non-AEGIS radar in DDG-1000 (and presumably future non-AEGIS ships). 

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2017, 12:31:37 pm »
Sounds like the intent is basically an SM-6 sans booster to replace the current SM-2 Block IIIBs.  BTW whatever happened to the plan to add TVC (among other things) to SM-2 to enable more effectiveness against sea-skimmers?  Anybody know what THAT mod was supposed to be called?

They really need to standardize their nomneclature a bit.

The FY18 Budget request refers to this missile as SM-2 Active or SM-6 MR.

http://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Documents/18pres/WPN_Book.pdf

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SM-2 ACTIVE: SM-2 Improvements will bring the SM-2 medium range missile into the family of active missiles as an active MR missile. SM-2 Active (or SM-6 MR) provides enhanced Stream-Raid performance against numerous threats to include agile prism via target resolution in range and Doppler and missile/target pairing logic, over-the-horizon capability for increased depth of fire, enhanced capability against electronic attack, improved firepower due to decreased dependence on illuminators, and enhanced fuzing via guidance integrated fuzing. Effort leverages to the maximum extent existing SM-6 infrastructure and industrial manufacturing capability. The inventory objective is 1,000 units.

It also refers to SM-2 Block IIIAZ, which is a IIIA modified to work with the non-AEGIS radar in DDG-1000 (and presumably future non-AEGIS ships).

I wonder why they'd go with the IIIA instead of the newer IIIB. (Both are pretty much ancient.)
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2017, 01:13:14 pm »

I wonder why they'd go with the IIIA instead of the newer IIIB. (Both are pretty much ancient.)

Cost reasons.

It was originally IIIB but IIIA already had the X-band datalink and supported ICWI.

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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #99 on: January 12, 2018, 10:59:11 am »
Raytheon developing upgraded SM-2 exclusively for United States


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Raytheon received a request for proposals this week to develop the Standard Missile-2 IIIC interceptor, which it will sell exclusively to the United States, according to a company official.

The IIIC will have an active front end seeker capability, in addition to the semi-active seeker that was on its predecessors, Ivonne May, SM-2 director at Raytheon, told Inside the Navy this week. The company expects to receive a Navy contract this summer.

"The intent is to start [developing the missile] this year, and it will be an accelerated acquisition," she said. "The Navy's plan is to have a missile in three years."

Separately, Raytheon was awarded a $617 million contract in June to restart production of SM-2 IIIA and IIIB. Those missiles will be sold as foreign military sales to Japan, Australia, the Netherlands and South Korea, according to a Defense Department statement. If all options are exercised, the contract is valued at $652 million.

May also said Raytheon is in talks for a future deal to sell another batch of missiles to those same countries, as well as Denmark.
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2018, 02:18:42 pm »
A shame they didn't throw in the propulsion upgrades as well.
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #101 on: March 03, 2018, 01:26:23 am »
21-inch SRM for the SM-6 Blk 1B?
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Re: Standard Missile projects.
« Reply #102 on: March 03, 2018, 05:13:55 am »
Sounds like they're looking to go full-caliber on SM-6.  Should be a pretty simple development effort, since there's already a 21-inch SRM for SM-3 Block 2A.  You might want a different thrust profile for SM-6, but the basics are already established.

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« Reply #103 on: March 03, 2018, 01:16:51 pm »
Sounds like they're looking to go full-caliber on SM-6.  Should be a pretty simple development effort, since there's already a 21-inch SRM for SM-3 Block 2A.  You might want a different thrust profile for SM-6, but the basics are already established.


Something like this or stick with 3 stages?  If the latter I'd be stuffing some KKVs in there. 
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« Reply #104 on: March 03, 2018, 06:49:32 pm »
Probably two-stage with a Mk 72 booster and a 21-inch missile on top of that.  No third stage, because you want to keep the secondary antiship function, which means a blast-frag warhead and plenty of mass.

Edit: it just dawned on me that the USN has to develop a new 21-inch motor for this because the second-stage motor in SM-3 BLK IIA is a Japanese development and probably can't be brought straight into an all-US SM-6 development effort.
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