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Offline alanqua

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ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« on: December 01, 2007, 06:54:49 am »
Hi everybody,

I saw in the Flight international latest issue a picture on the new ESA (European Space Agency) inhabited vehicle program. The vehicle looks a little bit like the American Orion capsule.
Does anybody have some infos (or the picture) of this project? I tried to search on Internet but found nothing.

Thanks for your help.
Alain

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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2007, 10:31:58 am »
is this a new concept ?

at ESA they have:

"Crew Space Transportation System" (CSTS). Europa-Russia-Japan Study
"ISS transport vehicle" Europa-Russia study of six-man lifting body-like Kliper
(gona be a blunt biconic capsule)

"Advanced Crew Transportation System" (ACTS) but that this also CSTS (only Europa-Russia)

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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 03:35:06 am »
Are there any pictures of these projects? I'm getting lost with all these acronyms...

Thanks, regards
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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 04:38:12 am »
this ACTS


this ACTS with  Europa Spacemodul, Big Soyuz capsule and ATV als Servis modul


CSTS no Picture

I think that "ISS transport vehicle" would look like ESA acrv.


and ESA capsul- , lifting body-  and Space glider Hermes studies from 1968 to today
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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 08:16:10 am »
here new data from program

after www.russianspaceweb.com
ACTS project is now to be another Apollo clone




A speculative drawing TKS on ATV

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The 15-18-ton spacecraft would measure five meters in diameter and could carry crew of six, providing 2.5 cubic meters of habitable volume for each person. To reach orbit, the yet-to-be built vehicle would also need a new launcher, deriving from the Zenit rocket. Unlike its predecessor manufactured in Ukraine, the new rocket booster would be developed in Russia and fly from a future space center in Vostochny in the Russian Far East.

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http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_acts_origin.html#2008
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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2008, 07:35:18 am »
Hot News
ATV get ATV evolution

next to standart ATV for ISS
ESA want ATV the Small Payload Return capsul
a ATV with Large Cargo Return Capsul
even MTFF version of ATV Mini Space Station !

that Large Cargo Return Capsul can be made to a Manned Space craft  ;D

source
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/ATV/SEMNFZOR4CF_1.html

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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 08:13:05 am »
Obviously this not the firs time, in the last years, that ESA come up with a manned spacecraft more or less directly derived by ATV (it seems the only logical choice ESA could really do).

We must only hope that this time is the right time....

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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 10:08:18 am »
your word in god ears

because from 2010 ESA need a manned spacecraft !
why ?

Shuttle program shot down after ISS is complet 2010
only Russia will make manned fly to ISS with Soyuz (3 Men) for next 4 years
means only cosmonauts and US Astronaut on main mission.

USA will made some Orion flights begin 2014 to ISS
but abandon ISS  for manned Lunar and Mars Mission after 2019.
only 5 year support to ISS !

and there this rumor:
Russia will support ISS only until they launch a new space station or do Lunar manned Mission
in that case is ISS abandon a very big empty tincan in space

and i afraid ESA screw this also up like Hermes
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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 12:39:11 am »
the cat is out the bag  ;D

Aerospace company Astrium reveal Mock-Up of a Manned Space Ship concept
on Internationalen Luft- und Raumfahrtausstellung in Berlin (ILA)

a Capsule of 3.3 meter on top of a ATV !
the Mock-up is very spartaninc inside but got 3 leather seats  ;D

is now for ESA Minster to decide in November
if Europe gona have Manned Space Flight

source
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/weltall/0,1518,556271,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,31974,00.html





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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 06:16:08 am »
here more on russia version of the ACTS spacecraft

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_acts_history.html

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Re: ESA New inhabited vehicle program
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 05:33:09 am »
This is all interesting, in light of the Soyuz launch facilities under construction at Kourou, French Guiana. Anything that can nominally fit onto the Soyuz stack is good to go, and man rated by default, assuming the new pad has manned spaceflight support. As opposed to trying to man rate the Ariane-5 and installing manned spaceflight facilities at its pad. If Klipper isn't a total bust, ESA can get in on that action as well.

So Russia can get into a fit all it wants, but hard cash will bring the gear from Ukraine, and ESA doesn't need anyone's permission and facilities to launch (downrange tracking notwithstanding).