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Author  George Cox and Craig Kaston
Format Hardback | 208 pages
Dimensions 210 x 280mm
Publication date 31 Oct 2018
Publisher Crecy Publishing
Publication City/Country Cheshire, United Kingdom
Illustrations note Over 400 photos & drawings
ISBN10 1910809160
ISBN13 9781910809167
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 09:42:42 pm »
OMG!!!...I'be been waiting for it all my life. Great news! :)

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 11:12:18 pm »
Nice one from Craig - a forum member - not entirely my thing but I'll give it a go :)
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 11:30:05 pm »
Nice! And I guess a big hat-tip is due to Chris Gibson for showing that folk will buy books on transport projects...

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 11:49:14 pm »
Any table of contents for preview??

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 11:50:28 pm »
Great!

but why volume II, given that there have been already 3 volumes in the ASP series?

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2018, 01:18:04 am »
Ah....

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2018, 01:18:44 am »
Looks like yet another forthcoming addition to my bookshelf.

I'm totally losing track of Crecy's renumbering. I guess from this we can take it that Tony's ASP: 1 & 2 won't be revised like the earlier BSP series?

Maybe Crecy should have just lost the volume numbers and added meaningful subtitles instead?

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 01:25:02 am »
In fairness, I think ASP Transports was under way before Atlas. I only found out about it when I was looking into the RAF's interest in the C-5.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 05:03:03 am »
Wow,oh my God.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 06:08:19 am »
Formidable !

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 08:52:36 am »
Looks like yet another forthcoming addition to my bookshelf.

I'm totally losing track of Crecy's renumbering. I guess from this we can take it that Tony's ASP: 1 & 2 won't be revised like the earlier BSP series?

Maybe Crecy should have just lost the volume numbers and added meaningful subtitles instead?

I think I came up with a possible explanation for why it is number 2. The first and only volume published by Crecy is the one about WWII secret projects. If this is tru probably post-war bombers and fighters will be III and IV or higher if any volume is split in two.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 10:54:00 am »
Looks like yet another forthcoming addition to my bookshelf.

I'm totally losing track of Crecy's renumbering. I guess from this we can take it that Tony's ASP: 1 & 2 won't be revised like the earlier BSP series?

Maybe Crecy should have just lost the volume numbers and added meaningful subtitles instead?

1 and now 2 were Crecy releases. The previous ASP volumes were released by Ian Allan / Midland. The numbering is consistent. Rereleases of the old ASP volumes will be 3 and 4 most likely.
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 12:15:11 pm »
Bigger Cover – artwork by forum member Daniel Uhr.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2018, 12:49:47 am »


1 and now 2 were Crecy releases. The previous ASP volumes were released by Ian Allan / Midland. The numbering is consistent. Rereleases of the old ASP volumes will be 3 and 4 most likely.

Hopefully the volumes on fighters and bombers will be expanded and split (after all there was enough material for a volume including project only up to the 50's in "Early US Jet Fighters: Proposals, Projects and Prototypes") and perhaps volumes about strategic recon, hypersonics and son will be released.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2018, 10:38:14 am »

Hopefully the volumes on fighters and bombers will be expanded and split (after all there was enough material for a volume including project only up to the 50's in "Early US Jet Fighters: Proposals, Projects and Prototypes") and perhaps volumes about strategic recon, hypersonics and son will be released.

I actually hope not.  As much as it is nice to have more info, it is annoying to already have a copy of a book only to have it updated and re-released.  I want the new info but I don't want to purchase a book that I already have 95% or similar of.  It would be nice, if an addendum could be released instead with the new info for those who already have purchased.
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2018, 01:50:35 pm »
I agree with GTX specially when applies to the most expensive books.

May be a full new edition could be targeted to new readers, but it would be great to have also a sort of addendum edition for those who already purchased the original volume. Not easy, I understand, but probably fair. Jenkins "Space Shuttle" saw four editions growing in contents and price to an almost astronomical sum. I bought 1st and 3rd editions and I ended with disapointed after ending with the final edition. Next summer is going to be published the second edition of Friedman US submarines since 1945...

A second edition of British Secret Projects sixteen years after the first edition isn't too bad because price is affordable

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2018, 06:52:59 pm »
I agree with GTX specially when applies to the most expensive books.

May be a full new edition could be targeted to new readers, but it would be great to have also a sort of addendum edition for those who already purchased the original volume. Not easy, I understand, but probably fair.

The chance of that making *any* sort of financial sense is minimal to the point of nonexistence. The market would necessarily be smaller than for the whole book, while the production cost would be roughly the same even if it was only a small fraction of the length.



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I can't comprehend anyone being disappointed at the final edition of STS.
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 07:48:25 pm »
Not easy, I understand, but probably fair. Jenkins "Space Shuttle" saw four editions growing in contents and price to an almost astronomical sum. I bought 1st and 3rd editions and I ended with disapointed after ending with the final edition. Next summer is going to be published the second edition of Friedman US submarines since 1945...


Dennis Jenkins’ Space Shuttle is a fantastic book...What makes you disappointed about it?

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 08:04:25 pm »
Yeah. What was wrong with it? Also, I wouldn't mind a AUS hypersonics volume
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 12:03:24 am »
Did you not read the post?

He bought the 1st edition, which wasn't cheap. He bought the 3rd edition, which was more expensive. Now, the 4th edition is out, with yet more new information, even more expensive, he is supposed to buy the book again ($169) to get the additional information. How much is new and how much has he bought twice already?
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 03:50:03 am »
To start with the obvious: there are limits to what I can afford, just as there are limits to the time I have to read.
I will sooner buy a book on a new interesting subject, or a completely new view of a subject than a revised edition of a book I already have - unless it's a big improvement on the earlier edition. Jay Miller's X-planes revisited was one such book.

At the moment, ASPv2 Airlifters is higher on my wish list than the upcoming revisions of BSP books already on my shelf. Reviews may change that. I wish I had the time and money to read everything, but I don't - so I make my choices. I'm happy with that, my recent purchases are thoroughly enjoyable.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2018, 10:46:55 am »
He bought the 1st edition, which wasn't cheap. He bought the 3rd edition, which was more expensive. Now, the 4th edition is out, with yet more new information, even more expensive, he is supposed to buy the book again ($169) to get the additional information. How much is new and how much has he bought twice already?

Exactly the dilemma.  It would be interesting to do some numbers on how many extra 'sales' authors could get by also releasing addendums at the same time as new releases.  Such addendum wouldn't need to by printed to the same standard either - a simple softcover would be more than sufficient I'm sure.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 04:01:28 pm »
Tony Butter made an effort to include different pictures in the new editions where possible so even where the text was familiar some of the drawings are new.
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2018, 02:50:36 am »
https://www.amazon.com/American-Secret-Projects-2-Airlifters/dp/1910809160/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2

American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
by Craig Kaston & George Cox

This book charts the history of the US airlifter from its origins in World War II to today's transport giants. In doing so, it reveals and describes numerous designs which never saw the light of day, examining the thinking behind them and giving insights into why they did, or did not, succeed.
In many ways, this untold story of aviation history reflects both the changing face of conflict and the exercise of geo-political power; it has also had a major bearing on the development of civil aviation. The book has been made possible by the authors being given unprecedented access to major aerospace company archives, uncovering scores of design proposals which have never previously been revealed. It is profusely illustrated, much in full color, with artwork and three-view drawings extracted from manufacturers' archives and with photographs of original project models. As well as describing how airlifters were progressively developed to meet ever-more demanding military transport requirements, the book looks at other roles for which they were adapted, from nuclear test-beds to Space-Shuttle carriers.

This previously untold story describes over 200 unknown, or little known, designs, and contains over 400 illustrations detailing some of the largest and most incredible aircraft ever conceived.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2018, 09:57:18 pm »
I just get a message, that delivery of my pre-order is
preponed to November, the 9th . Good news !
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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2018, 02:08:32 pm »
I look forward to this with ill-contained impatience. Looks terrific.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2018, 04:52:42 pm »
I can't wait for this title to be published; I can hardly breathe!

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – April 30, 2019
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2018, 03:16:41 pm »
Tony Buttler said at SMW that its only just been submitted so will be published in the spring, but he did say its a very impressive book and well worth the wait.

http://www.crecy.co.uk/american-secret-projects-vol-2

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – December 15, 2018
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2018, 06:39:05 am »
Bigger Cover – artwork by forum member Daniel Uhr.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – April 30, 2019
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2019, 01:26:50 pm »
I ordered my copy on Amazon, and even though the expected release date has passed, Amazon has yet to issue a final shipping date for my order. Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing any possible unbuilt projects, including ultra-large airlifters or ground effect transports.

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Re: American Secret Projects 2: Airlifters Hardcover – April 30, 2019
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2019, 11:17:48 am »
Yeah, they've re-stated the shipping date for me, now giving a range of dates covering February and most of March.