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Bundeswehr Harriers
« on: September 11, 2017, 04:07:48 am »
In the late 60s the Germans were looking
for a replacement for its ground attack
Fiat G 91s.
As an offset against costs for BAOR and
RAF Germany the UK succeeds in selling
Harriers to the Bundeswehr and getting
Dornier involved in its production and
a joint trainer which becomes the Hawk.
HS and Dornier combine work on the HS 141
and Do 231 to produce an Andover replacement
and a feederliner for BEA and Lufthansa.
I know it was never going to happen but
the kit would have been cool.

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 06:58:30 am »
And if you build the Do 231, the Do 31 pretty much drops into your hands as an early '70s 350kt Chinook/V-22.

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 10:37:20 am »
Something like this perhaps:


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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 06:06:36 am »
GTX
es ist fantastisch gut so hit me..... Very 70s and should have been
Many thanks

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 11:05:38 am »
I built a German Harrier a few years ago:



backstory

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2017, 03:02:49 am »
While the Harrier is a flying death trap, it really couldn't have been worse than F-104G.
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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2017, 11:45:41 am »
While the Harrier is a flying death trap, it really couldn't have been worse than F-104G.

Depends if the same lack of training issues were there - the real underlying issue with the so-called F-104 issue.

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 09:53:49 am »
Where is the background to call the Harrier a "Flying death trap"?

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 03:37:47 am »
Hood on Shipbucket did these lovely side views of what if P1154 including the
Tripartite squadron.
He also did a Luftwaffe version but this has disappeared

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 03:49:39 am »

"Flying death trap"?

the US Marines combining A-4 and helicopter pilots into the Harriers at first then opting to prefer jet pilots only . Or Harrier piloting being a real source bragging in the RAF because of its hardness and all .

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 06:34:34 am »
Facts please.

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 04:47:14 am »
any aviation magazine where this famous British test pilot had interviews . ı think Farley is / was the name and he talked how hard the Harrier was to fly . After F-35 had become concrete . It might not on par with the 104 accidents wise , but it seems it wasn't  what Bill Gunston would be claiming .

basically an "opinion" that wouldn't win a court case , it doesn't insult any plane and it can be true .                                                                                                       
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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2017, 10:27:05 am »
The harrier always looked German to me.
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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2017, 10:50:25 am »
It might not on par with the 104 accidents wise ...                                                                                             
The F-104 had a better safety record than the Harrier.

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Re: Bundeswehr Harriers
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2017, 12:46:04 pm »
It might not on par with the 104 accidents wise ...                                                                                             
The F-104 had a better safety record than the Harrier.
But they are 2 different classes of plane.
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