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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2016, 07:41:01 pm »
RAND Report of interest

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1359.html?adbsc=social_20161023_1058801&adbid=790319404017823744&adbpl=tw&adbpr=22545453

My brother in law was a senior bod inside the submarine service for many years. One major moan point was the lack of punch the surface ships had for a sustained campaign against a peer like state. The Admiralty just said "subs do this, race here, do that..." until one day, a retiring chap looked across and said "Except you sank us the moment you took Nimrod out the skies."

Didn't go down well. The west is in for a very rude shock the moment it gets into a proper fight. 

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2017, 11:13:00 pm »


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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2017, 04:17:09 pm »
RAND Report of interest

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1359.html?adbsc=social_20161023_1058801&adbid=790319404017823744&adbpl=tw&adbpr=22545453

My brother in law was a senior bod inside the submarine service for many years. One major moan point was the lack of punch the surface ships had for a sustained campaign against a peer like state. The Admiralty just said "subs do this, race here, do that..." until one day, a retiring chap looked across and said "Except you sank us the moment you took Nimrod out the skies."

Didn't go down well. The west is in for a very rude shock the moment it gets into a proper fight.
What he said.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2017, 06:06:27 pm »
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/long-range-anti-ship-missile-program-cleared-initial-production

Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile program cleared for initial production
January 25, 2017
Justin Doubleday

The accelerated Long Range Anti-Ship Missile program has cleared its production readiness review, according to a Lockheed Martin official.
The review will allow the Navy to award a contract to Lockheed for initial production of the missile.
The Navy is procuring 10 missiles in fiscal year 2017, while the Air Force is buying 20, according to FY-17 budget justification documents.
 "They've had their production readiness review and they've been given approval for production," Scott Calloway, Lockheed's program director for advanced...

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2017, 04:50:00 pm »
http://csbaonline.org/research/publications/restoring-american-seapower-a-new-fleet-architecture-for-the-united-states-

http://csbaonline.org/uploads/documents/CSBA6224-Fleet_Architecture_Study_WEB.pdf

I like the suggestion of qty 10 CVL to augment 12 CVN's.  LHA's are great but would like to see arresting gear and catapult added to broaden their utility - something about the size of British QE-class.

Navy really needs to either expand the public yards or learn how to work efficiently with civilian yards.  If you can't fix what you've got...




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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2017, 02:34:43 pm »
One of the arguments is that EMALS reduces the wind-over-deck requirements to the point where
a conventionally powered carrier can conduct launch operations without adversely impacting its fuel
stores.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2017, 02:55:50 pm »
One of the arguments is that EMALS reduces the wind-over-deck requirements to the point where
a conventionally powered carrier can conduct launch operations without adversely impacting its fuel
stores.

Ahhh.  Didn't know that.  Would it be true that a CVL wouldn't need to be maintained in a public yard?

Document also calls for new frigate and patrol craft. 
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In the proposed architecture, the LCS/FF program would be truncated as soon as the design of a new FFG is ready to build. This would ideally be in FY19, but may be FY20 or FY21. The 4000- to 5000-ton FFG would be designed with the endurance to accompany the Maneuver Force or for convoy escort; an active and passive EW suite; an ASW suite including a VDS sonar and passive towed array; and a 16- to 32-cell VLS magazine with ESSM for medium- range area air defense, long-range surface-to-surface missiles, and a stando  ASW weapon capable of quickly putting a submarine on the defensive more than 50 nm away.
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Sounds a lot like the Legend-class National Security Cutter-based Patrol Frigate 4921 concept.

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/patrol-frigate-concepts-from-huntington-ingalls-industries-gain-traction-internationally/