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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #240 on: May 21, 2017, 02:55:47 am »
Another mid-range missile test just now

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39990836


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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #243 on: May 29, 2017, 02:24:26 pm »
Iraq is greater than twice the area of the whole Peninsula.

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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #244 on: May 29, 2017, 09:40:02 pm »

https://timesofsandiego.com/military/2017/05/28/navy-orders-3rd-carrier-to-join-uss-carl-vinson-off-korea/

Three carriers...

They had six against Iraq during Desert Storm.  :o

Well...Japan is a great big, relatively close, "carrier".  Although the CVN's carry ~50 F-18's each.  DS also had over 2200 aircraft. 

It's way too soon for anything to happen.  They would need to evacuate the US military families first.  School's out June 16.  New moon is June 24.  Looking for a lot more equipment to move to Japan and Korea prior to anything happening - ANG TSP's etc.





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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #247 on: October 11, 2017, 10:35:07 pm »
Negotiations can work.

For example: Pakistan's Clinton-era HEU-for-missile-tech negotiations with
North Korea were quite successful and were concluded both very quickly
and in a manner that did not disturb the parallel negotiations between the US
and North Korea.

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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #248 on: October 11, 2017, 10:51:23 pm »
Negotiations can work.

For example: Pakistan's Clinton-era HEU-for-missile-tech negotiations with
North Korea were quite successful and were concluded both very quickly
and in a manner that did not disturb the parallel negotiations between the US
and North Korea.

Negotiations better work. 

I'd like to see some congressional discussions about moving US dependents off the peninsula.  At the very least it may make the DPRK recognize that this is all very real.



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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #249 on: October 12, 2017, 04:53:01 am »
Negotiations can work.

For example: Pakistan's Clinton-era HEU-for-missile-tech negotiations with
North Korea were quite successful and were concluded both very quickly
and in a manner that did not disturb the parallel negotiations between the US
and North Korea.

Negotiations better work. 

I'd like to see some congressional discussions about moving US dependents off the peninsula.  At the very least it may make the DPRK recognize that this is all very real.

This.  It would be absolutely insane to allow a North Korea with nuclear-armed ICBMs.  Any "war" to take out that capability would be peanuts by comparison in the long run.  I say "war" because 'lil' Kim isn't going to go full retard just because we break a few of his toys. Hit the nuke sites and ICBM production and tell him if he retaliates he'll go the way of Khadafy.
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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #250 on: October 12, 2017, 09:30:24 pm »
Negotiations can work.

Of course they can work - as long as you have a Congress that backs those negotiations.  The problem was the US Congress did not back Clinton's negotiations with the DPRK and as a consequence reneged on what had been agreed, and Kim il Sung restarted the whole nuclear thing, to drive the US back to the negotiating table.  What a shame the US has had foolish Presidents and a foolish Congress that believes it can dictate to the rest of the world how it should act.  It likes to use the stick but doesn't accept that a carrot can work as well, if not better.

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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #251 on: October 13, 2017, 06:27:43 am »
Behold 'The Carrot"
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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #252 on: October 13, 2017, 06:37:23 am »
Negotiations can work.

Of course they can work - as long as you have a Congress that backs those negotiations.  The problem was the US Congress did not back Clinton's negotiations with the DPRK and as a consequence reneged on what had been agreed, and Kim il Sung restarted the whole nuclear thing, to drive the US back to the negotiating table.  What a shame the US has had foolish Presidents and a foolish Congress that believes it can dictate to the rest of the world how it should act.  It likes to use the stick but doesn't accept that a carrot can work as well, if not better.

Your "carrot" allows NK to blackmail everybody else.  No reason at all we should PAY him for his bad behavior.  If your neighbor said he'd stop parking on your lawn and playing loud music until three in the morning if you paid him would you think that was a great deal?
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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #253 on: October 13, 2017, 06:37:46 am »
People like to dismiss Chamberlain's ' piece of paper', but it was the difference between war with an incomplete air defence system, and war with an operational one. That makes it one of the most successful negotiating ploys in history.

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Re: Possible upcoming skirmish (or worse) in or around Korean Peninsula?
« Reply #254 on: October 13, 2017, 06:41:48 am »
People like to dismiss Chamberlain's ' piece of paper', but it was the difference between war with an incomplete air defence system, and war with an operational one. That makes it one of the most successful negotiating ploys in history.

First time I've ever heard of WWII being used as an example of a "success" story.
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