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Denmark is ready to provide Ukraine with military equipment and weapons in the case of a military escalation by Russia.
Ukrainian diplomats handed over the list to the Danish Foreign Ministry. The list conside the weapons that Ukraine wants as soon as possible. At the top of the wish list is a weapon that can hit aircrafts and tanks.

www.berlingske.dk

Ukraine har givet en ønskeliste til Danmark: Send os våben

Læs mere her.
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Defence Minister of Canada Anita Anand arrived in a snowy Kyiv on Sunday amid an increasingly frosty international deadlock over the crisis in Eastern Europe.

The Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau last week announced a renewal and expansion of the Canadian training military training mission in Ukraine, known as Operation Unifier. It also intends to provide a package of non-lethal military aid, including flak jackets, metal detectors, binoculars and medical kits, among other things.

The Ukraine government had asked for defensive weapons, and while the Canadian government says it has not ruled out the possibility, no arms were part of a shipment of supplies that were slated to leave this weekend.


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The UK is considering offering to double its number of troops deployed in Eastern Europe, as ministers weigh up options to increase pressure on Russia amid heightened tensions over Ukraine.

The UK has more than 900 military personnel based in Estonia, more than 100 in Ukraine as part of a training mission, while a light cavalry squadron numbering about 150 is deployed to Poland.

In addition to bolstering troop numbers, No 10 said this could involve sending defensive weapons to Estonia. Fast jets, warships and military specialists could also be sent to protect the UK's Nato allies.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine: PM weighs up bigger troop offer amid Russia border crisis

A possible offer to bolster Nato forces comes as ministers prepare a diplomatic blitz on Moscow.
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the NLAWs for estonian forces? or, maybe, some sort of air-defence
 
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Poland’s government and head of state have decided to provide defensive ammunition to Ukraine, officials announced on Monday.

Paweł Soloch, national-security aide to the Polish President Andrzej Duda, delivered the news at a media briefing, the state PAP news agency reported. The aide said Poland’s offer comprised tens of thousands of defensive-ammunition units, ready to be supplied “at any moment,” PAP reported.

www.polskieradio.pl

Poland offers defensive ammunition to Ukraine

Poland’s government and head of state have decided to provide defensive ammunition to Ukraine, officials announced on Monday.
www.polskieradio.pl
 
I find it amusing that the thread starts with saying not to involve political discussion on a topic that is packed with all sorts of geopolitical agendas.
 
Poland is ready to hand over military aid to Ukraine, in particular ammunition, Grom MANPADS, and various types of drones. This was stated by the head of the Polish government, Mateusz Morawiecki, who spoke at a briefing for the media in Warsaw on Tuesday, February 1, before flying off to Kyiv, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

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Poland to supply ammunition, MANPADS and drones to Ukraine
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recent DoD shipments include a lot of .50 and 7.62x51 ammo
 
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I find it amusing that the thread starts with saying not to involve political discussion on a topic that is packed with all sorts of geopolitical agendas.
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The fact that it hasn't devolved into an argument with opposing sides and thus been locked is a credit to the members who have contributed.:)
 
What types of drones does Poland use? I'm aware of the TB-2 buy, but I assume they have some smaller types in inventory?
 
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TMA1 said:
I find it amusing that the thread starts with saying not to involve political discussion on a topic that is packed with all sorts of geopolitical agendas.
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The fact that it hasn't devolved into an argument with opposing sides and thus been locked is a credit to the members who have contributed.:)
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I think that after a few years of cities burning and lockdowns and pandemics and such, there's been a bit of a horror-burnout. We're all now just sorta mildly curious to see where this goes.
 
Some possibilities for the future:
1: "Oh, look. Nothing happened. On to the next media outrage, I suppose."
2: "Oh, look, a major land war in Europe. Haven't had one of those in a while. This could make for some entertaining newsbreaks."
3: "Oh, look, it's gone nuclear. Nice sunsets, I guess. And no more of that pesky global warming."

Replace "MTV" with "covid" or "MPP" or "social media," and this clip from an old, long-forgotten TV serial applies:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G69nsT_WaIo
 
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As part of the US defensive aid, Mk 19 40 mm automatic grenade launchers were delivered to Ukraine.

This is reported by Ukrainian Military Pages with reference to information discovered by the user @thelema _ boy _ from Twitter.

@thelema_boy_ paid attention to the NSN 1010-01-490-9697 identification code, which can be viewed on one of the “black pallets” delivered to Ukraine on January 28.

According to the NATO Multilingual Supply Classification Handbook (ACodP-2), the NSN code 1010-01-490-9697 match to such a supply item as “Machine Gun, 40mm, MK19 Mod III.”

According to the number of “black pallets” in the photo taken during the loading of the aircraft, which were made public by the US servicemen, it can be concluded that only on January 28 several hundred Mark 19 grenade launchers were delivered to Ukraine.

It is also possible that the Mk 19 grenade launchers were already supplied to the Armed Forces of Ukraine as part of other shipments, because 40-mm ammunition s have repeatedly been part of the cargo of American aircraft, including in the fall of 2021. As an example, we give a photo of unloading boxes with 40-mm ammunitions from an American aircraft at the Boryspil airport on October 10, 2021.

According to the marking, in the boxes in the photo, 40×53 mm high velocity grenades M430A1 HEDP with a universal debris-armored grenade (capable of punching 76 mm steel). Each such standard box contains 32 ammunitions connected by links M16A2 into the tape.

The Mk 19 40 mm automatic grenade launcher (Mark 19) entered U.S. military service in the late 1960s, first seeing action during the Vietnam War and remaining in service to the present day.
  • the M430 HEDP 40mm grenade will pierce armor up to two inches thick, and will produce fragments to kill personnel within five meters and wound personnel within 15 meters of the point of impact.
  • the fragmentary M383 and M384
  • the educational M385
The modification passed to Ukraine was produced between 1981 and 2000 in the United States. Also produced under license in countries such as the Republic of Korea and Turkey.

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US handed over Mk 19 40mm automatic grenade launchers to Ukraine

As part of the US defensive aid, Mk 19 40 mm automatic grenade launchers were delivered to Ukraine
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Are the anti tank weapons being sent effective against modern armor or vehicles with
reactive armor?
 
I’m not especially qualified to answer, but Javelin is a tandem warhead weapon that has a top attack mode. That should be good for most any MBT, barring interception by an active defense system. And even an active defense might not be effective against an arced top attack flight profile. NLAW is also a top attack weapon that fires down into its target from above, though instead of arcing into its target it flies a flat profile an then explodes directly above the target with a warhead oriented downward. I think it’s an EFP. Whether that would work against modern flavors of Russian ERA is beyond my knowledge, but it isn’t something I personally would want to roll the dice on.
 
Also any Russian vehicle that’s not an MBT generally has a thin skin, be it bimps, BTRs, or what have you. Most anything will work against a non MBT even down to old school RGP-7s
 
too many different weapon systems for Ukraine foot soldiers to learn to use effectively. Wouldn't it be better if other countries pour money into a fund to buy weapons from one country to keep it easier for folks on the ground.
 
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too many different weapon systems for Ukraine foot soldiers to learn to use effectively. Wouldn't it be better if other countries pour money into a fund to buy weapons from one country to keep it easier for folks on the ground.
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The new weapons introduced to the Ukrainians AFAIK were Stinger, NLAW and SMAW. I suspect they function close enough to their Soviet equivalents such that training is minimal. But more over these weapons transfers are more about expediency rather than efficiency. The best rearmament plan isn’t going to be useful in April.

I suspect a lot of these donations are weapons that are about to hit their expiration date, particularly the NLAW and Javelin. If they get used in the next month, which seems more likely than not, expiration probably won’t matter much.
 
donnage99 said:
too many different weapon systems for Ukraine foot soldiers to learn to use effectively. Wouldn't it be better if other countries pour money into a fund to buy weapons from one country to keep it easier for folks on the ground.
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Let me guess: buy from some derelict Soviet era weapons stocks in Russia? ;)
 
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too many different weapon systems for Ukraine foot soldiers to learn to use effectively.
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instructors of ukraine army regiments were studied NLAW and SMAW-D for two days: one day is theory lessons, another live firings
the Mk-19s and Javelins is probably require a week to mastery for trained soliders, here no really hard to use systems


 
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in terms of Soviet ammunition types, Poland is providing shipments. I suspect a lot of ammunition is being purchased from all over Europe but that most countries don’t want to publicize it.
 
... and again: If this topic should is intended to stay alive, then it should deal only with the technical
aspects. What type of weapon, and so on. Just have a look at the very first post of this thread again !
 
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Poland will send to Ukraine 60-mm mortars LMP-2017 and 40-mm shoulder-fired grenade launchers RGP-40, produced by Mechanical Plant Tarnow S.A.

since 2019 Mechanical Plant Tarnow already was delivered 650 LMP-2017 mortars to the Poland Territorial Defense Forces

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LMP-2017 i RGP-40 dla Ukrainy – MILMAG

W piątek, 4 lutego 2022 r. w tarnowskich Zakładach Mechanicznych wizytę złożył Prezes Rady Ministrów Mateusz Morawiecki. Głównym celem spotkania było ustalenie szczegółów przekazania wsparcia dla Ukrainy w postaci lekkich moździerzy piechoty LMP-2017 i ręcznych granatników powtarzalnych RGP-40
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Polish mortar LMP-2017

Сaliber 60 mm
Max pressure in the barrel 28±2 MPa
Max range (O-LM60 round) not less than 1100 m
Max range (O-LM60N round) not less than 1300 m
Minimum range 100 m
Elevation angle 45° ÷ 85°
Mass ≤ 7.5 kg
Max series of continuous fire 30 rounds
Rate of fire without correct the fire 25 rds/min
Rate of fire with correct the fire 10 rds/min
Team 2 operators, min 1 operator
Sight liquid level gauge
Electric battery CR123 (3 V)
Ammunition HE rounds O-LM60 and O-LM60N, S-LM60 illumination rounds

 
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I don't envy Ukraine's Military for their task of inventory control and standardisation after all this is done...
 
Unfortunately, I did not find the saved file. There were surplus weapons on the official list. They were of different ages, but the numbers were staggering. Some of the weapons were from the Second World War. And that was just the surplus.
 
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I’m not especially qualified to answer, but Javelin is a tandem warhead weapon that has a top attack mode. That should be good for most any MBT, barring interception by an active defense system. And even an active defense might not be effective against an arced top attack flight profile. NLAW is also a top attack weapon that fires down into its target from above, though instead of arcing into its target it flies a flat profile an then explodes directly above the target with a warhead oriented downward. I think it’s an EFP. Whether that would work against modern flavors of Russian ERA is beyond my knowledge, but it isn’t something I personally would want to roll the dice on.
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Apart from short ranged man portable anti-tank weaponry it would probably benefit Ukraine's deterrence capabilities to acquire/get Bofors' BONUS munition, if available (or an equivalent, if there is one).

It enables the defender to operate in depth, not only against massed armor formations, but probably more importantly for Ukraine against Russia's battalion level tracked artillery with high precision; when it comes to counter-battery fire Ukrainians can't count on numbers and probably (given Russian artillery response times) would greatly benefit from the ability to shoot and scoot without the need for corrections. The 2S22 Bohdana (the only 155 mm system I could find Ukraine has) is hopefully compatible with BONUS though I don't know how many units they have and how widely they're deployed.

I don't know how willing anyone would be to supply BONUSes to Ukraine, how sensitive the munition would be considering the risk of some ending up in Russian hands at some point. The technology isn't particularly new though, can't be too dissimilar from what CBU-97 sensor fuzed weapon was/is.
 
Some information floating around that the UK is about to supply Ukraine with anti-ship missiles. The reports, however, are from sources I don't know and/or I don't explicitly trust so I won't link to them here but they are, at least, attributed to a statement made by Ukraine's ambassador to the UK Vadym Prystaiko.

Something to keep an eye on in the coming days anyway.

The reporting, thus far, is conflated with an existing arrangement with the UK to develop Ukraine's maritime forces in the long term. It is entirely unclear to me whether the delivery of the missiles included in this deal are somehow expedited or, indeed, what type of missiles these are supposed to be. I do hope that Ukraine's coastal defenses are thus bolstered as their own Neptune system is just about to become operational and the original timetable - given current events - seems to fall just short of Russia being able to blockade Ukrainian shipping or even stage amphibious landings.

www.forbes.com

Ukraine’s Anti-Ship Missiles Might Arrive Too Late For A War With Russia

One of Ukraine's most important new weapons systems, a locally-made anti-ship missile, could be just a few months too late to make any difference in the fighting if Russia invades this winter.
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I saw this report and on another forum it was theorized this was a flavor of Sea Spear. I can't imagine what else it would be; the UK doesn't really have a domestic AShM. Whatever it is, it isn't something that will arrive and be worked up before summer. Same-same any other AShM that gets donated; you don't just hand some soldiers an over the horizon system and expect them to be able to use it.
 
The only other thing it could be is Martlet LMM but that's not really an ASM - more of an anti-speedboat weapon.
 
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I suspect a lot of these donations are weapons that are about to hit their expiration date, particularly the NLAW and Javelin.
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NLAW deliveries to the UK started in December 2009 and took a few years to complete. The weapon can be stored for 20 years with no maintenance required. So only about half way through their lifespan.
 
Josh_TN said:
I saw this report and on another forum it was theorized this was a flavor of Sea Spear. I can't imagine what else it would be; the UK doesn't really have a domestic AShM. Whatever it is, it isn't something that will arrive and be worked up before summer. Same-same any other AShM that gets donated; you don't just hand some soldiers an over the horizon system and expect them to be able to use it.
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UK produces Sea Venom, however that is only on the cusp of operational service from Wildcat only.

But it was confirmed months ago that these missiles are Brimstone/Sea Spear to be fired from the new missile boats ordered as part of the £1.7bn loan agreed between the UK and Ukraine. All that has happened is that the Ukrainian Parliament has ratified the deal. Babcock have previously produced models of the boat with Sea Spear canisters on the back and it was confirmed by the UK military attache in Kiev before the end of last year.

Sea Spear has gone through a lot of testing almost a decade ago, its not a heavyweight munition but perfectly good for a small missile/patrol craft, particularly against fast attack craft/landing vessels. The Ukrainian's have also said that they will look into helicopter carriage of Brimstone and other uses...make a lot of sense as the Ukrainian Navy has neither the ships or the expertise to be engaging the Russian's far off shore, any action is going to be close in to their coast.

Here's Sea Spear in test...from 2013.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmYqq3qehDE
 
I don't know where to put that since it is related to the Russian side. Still, the report and analysis are of some interests here.

The CAR study, which scrutinised Russian-made drones which either crashed or were shot down between 2015 and 2020, found evidence of components from countries including Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, America and the Czech Republic.

The components believed to have been supplied by UK companies included specialist spark plugs and a consignment of electronics delivered in 2020 to a Russian military drone manufacturer whose products include the Kremlin’s first long-endurance armed drone, or UAV (Unmanned Aerial Vehicle).

The report said: “Our analysis and tracing efforts reveal that independent Russian electronics and component distributors acquired… foreign technology on behalf of sanctioned Russian defence and security entities.”
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inews.co.uk

Fears Russian military drones made with British components could target UK soldiers in Ukraine

A study by armaments experts has found Western parts are ending up in Russian-made drones being used over eastern Ukraine. British MPs have now voiced their concerns, i can reveal
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timmymagic said:
TomcatViP said:
Let me guess: buy from some derelict Soviet era weapons stocks in Russia? ;)
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If I was the Ukrainian's...on day 2 of any war with Russia I'd roll over the border into Transistria and seize the Russian holdings there...there's still 10's of thousands of tonnes of munitions there. Only 1200 lightly equipped Russian troops . Quick way of getting back at Russia, lots of munitions, clearing the Russian forces out will be popular with Moldova and Romania (and wider European countries and US), gives them a victory (and some prisoners as bargaining chips) and gives the Russian's a big headache...
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Good plan. Only these warehouses are mainly guarded by citizens of Moldova under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Suddenly?
 
Sweet Geez. The above posts have potential for a major, far reaching quagmire and shit storm at every level.
"Dance of vampires" except cubed.
 
Don't look up, it's all nonsense. :)



 
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Well... It's good enough for now. Let's be realistic there is nothing to see here.
 
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