Shenyang J-15 "Flying Shark"

[flanker]

Most probably MKA to be precise, and not MKI.

 

[Deino]

Most probably MKA to be precise, and not MKI.

I thought it was the first HAL-produced MKI ... but really the other Flankers are not my special topic.
Thanks,
Deino

 

[SOC]

Probably not a HAL-produced bird, as it's trailing a Russian-marked FLANKER.

 

[flanker]

Most probably MKA to be precise, and not MKI.

I thought it was the first HAL-produced MKI ... but really the other Flankers are not my special topic.
Thanks,
Deino

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sukhoi-Su-30MK/1586346/L/&sid=a1359bf5bee7e4b92c49f55035db30df

 

[Firefly 2]

From Globalsecurity:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/china/2010/china-100604-rianovosti01.htm

 

[flanker]

"The Chinese J-15 clone is unlikely to achieve the same performance characteristics of the Russian Su-33 carrier-based fighter, and I do not rule out the possibility that China could return to negotiations with Russia on the purchase of a substantial batch of Su-33s," said Col. (Ret.) Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Defense Ministry's Public Council.

Interesting.

 

[donnage99]

Does it look like diamond wings or the flaps are playing tricks with my eyes?

 

[Deino]

"The Chinese J-15 clone is unlikely to achieve the same performance characteristics of the Russian Su-33 carrier-based fighter, and I do not rule out the possibility that China could return to negotiations with Russia on the purchase of a substantial batch of Su-33s," said Col. (Ret.) Igor Korotchenko, a member of the Defense Ministry's Public Council.

Interesting.

... but completely BS !

We all know that the original Su-33 as it is or better to say WAS very limited and would require at least an if the Ru AF/Navy would keep them longer in service. As far as I know new MiG-29K are said to be purchased !

On the other side the J-11B is said to be much more advanced in terms of avionics than the legacy Flanker ... and if SAC really managed to "copy" the Su-33 and add the avionics of the "B", then the J-15 will most likely be a better performing Sea-Flanker than the Su-33 ever was. As such China won't go back to Sukhoi to buy "a substantial batch of Su-33s" and IF, Sukhoi won't sell them.
As such the Su-33

Does it look like diamond wings or the flaps are playing tricks with my eyes?

Only a trick of the blurred picture + the angle of the bird.

Deino

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Assuming the reports that China bought an Su-33 from Ukraine are correct, they should be able to reverse engineer the naval adaptations. Aside from these, the Su-33 was essentially a bog-standard Su-27 (unlike the MiG-29K, which was a more substantial upgrade).

 

[donnage99]

I assume the chinese do not have permission from Russia to domestically produce flanker variants, including j-15?

 

[Deino]

I assume the chinese do not have permission from Russia to domestically produce flanker variants, including j-15?

Hmmm ... we had this discussion at another tread and to be honest, the results are mixed. For the J-15 however You are correct !

Deino

 

[donnage99]

So if China continue to persue j-15 without permission, then PAK FA (and for this thread, possibly a naval variant follow-on of j-15) is really out of negociation between china and russia, then?

 

[collins355]

For now, at least, Russia has made it clear that it is developing the PAK-FA with India, not with the PRC.

The PRC is, for now, developing its own equivalent fighter to PAK-FA. Should that fighter run into development trouble, then the PRC may end up wishing they had not ticked off the Russians - but that is for the future.

 

[Deino]

Maybe some new ones ... at least one with a short sting !

 

[SOC]

No short stinger, it's either the camera angle or the picture quality, but the long stinger is there. No tailhook either. This isn't a carrier plane, although it might be a systems or proof of concept vehicle for one. Or, it could just be more brand new MKIs from Nasik or MKA/MKwhatevers from IAPO.

 

[Deino]

Sorry, but here I don't agree with You.

IMO the sting is clearly shorter esp. in comparison to the MIA or MKI I posted some time ago.
If You look closely - and I hope that's not too much wish-full thinking on my side - You also can see the changes on the flaps (maybe the fold-line for the wing) and regading the hook: on the Su-30 it ends a bit before the end of the sting, so IMO this picture is too blurred to say, but if the sting doesn't hang down, it's barely visible.

Deino

PS: at the moment I can't uplead any pics becuase the upload-folder is full ???

 

[SOC]

I think you're right about the length of the tail. I was thinking wrong. Still, no sign of a tailhook, and I'm not sold on the wing fold just because the flaps may look different. Somebody needs to get a better zoom lens and get us clear pictures! And while they're at it, quit censoring out the damn serial numbers.

 

[Deino]

Here's the original "source" of the pictures !

http:/ /v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg3OTYzNzU2.html

and

http:/ /v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg3OTYzMzM2.html

Deino

Edit: as inserted it redirects You to a different link. Just copy-paste it and cut the two blanks between http:/ /....

 

[RAJ47]

Is this a real tailhook?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzqM/TDjE03jypCI/AAAAAAAAHuY/81jLv-2xID0/s1600/u4c386dacc78f44126.jpg
Its posted here
http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2010/07/j-15-with-tailhook.html

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

can't tell if it's PS'd or not. the pic doesn't contain photo data

 

[Deino]

IMO it is real !

Intéresting is the IFR-probe and the J-11-typical wingtip pylon .... and it also has a hook !!

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

well, the lighting seems to be consistent so it could be real...

 

[Sundog]

Well, you can clearly see the bump for the hinge-line of the folding wing, and it's just outside the span of the canards, which wouldn't fold. I think you can see where the horizontal tails would fold. They seem to be a slightly lighter shade outside their fold line. If we could see the tails more clearly, that would help.

 

[SOC]

This looks like a near-carbon copy of the Su-33. They even used the exact same fairings atop the vertical tails, which were reprofiled for the Su-33. The only major difference is the inclusion of J-11B style wingtip launch rails, implying that it might be intended to use the J-11B's avionics and weapons.

 

[Mike Pryce]

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/07/first-glimpse-of-chinese-fight.html

Another Flanker variant/rip-off. Yawn!

Maybe Russia will sell PAK-FA to Taiwan. That would teach China a lesson for pinching the Su-33 design!

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

^^^as per request

 

[Deino]

Not completely sure if the J-15 - maybe some realy Flanker-guys can help - ... but as shown on CCTV !

 

[quellish]

How long was it from the J-10's first flight to IOC?

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

^^well, it does have the body of a flanker

hmmm... starboard vertical tail

 

[Deino]

EDIT: ... but that's just a J-11B with the standard wing of a "normal" Flanker.

sadly I don't have a picture available - but in comparision to a manufacturing picture in A. Fomin's Flanker book the wing-fold is completely different and the regular Flanker has these typical three holes.

Deino

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

the vertical tail tip is also different

 

[Deino]

the vertical tail tip is also different

You are right ! But is it me or does the J-15's tip looks broader, wider or is it cropped ?

Deino ???

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

it's more akin to the Cy-33

notice the difference in the tail paneling...

 

[Deino]

Thanks ... I never noticed this difference before.

Deino

 

[saintkatanalegacy]

me neither tbh

just learned it today

 

[Otaku]

"Shee Lang"

 

[quellish]

Relevant: this is a discussion of Chinese industrial policy regarding acquisition of outside technology (i.e. ripping off Sukhoi). Very illuminating. Railway technology is described, however SP readers will recognize the same pattern having been applied elsewhere.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sina.com.cn%2Fc%2Fsd%2F2010-12-31%2F150421742110.shtml

 

[Deino]

Surprising progress ... now repainted again and partially without the scaffolding .

 

[Deino]

.... and finally in NAVY-grey !

 

[Deino]