Musk Sees Potential for Tesla Robot to Eclipse Car Business

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The following requires a response: Mr. Musk. Who will shop at Target or Amazon, or buy your cars, if the man is removed from labor?

 
The following requires a response: Mr. Musk. Who will shop at Target or Amazon, or buy your cars, if the man is removed from labor?
Well, since the birth rate is dropping everywhere, the problem of replacing unskilled labor with machines would hit developed countries anyway...
 
The following requires a response: Mr. Musk. Who will shop at Target or Amazon, or buy your cars, if the man is removed from labor?
Well, since the birth rate is dropping everywhere, the problem of replacing unskilled labor with machines would hit developed countries anyway...

Income. How will people who are alive pay their bills?
 
Beyond silly. Who would pay for basic income? Nobody?
If value is created by mechanisation then aren’t the machines paying for it. What is beyond silly about using that value to let people and let folks follow their hobbies, passions and be creative without attaching a price tag to it?
 
A Furby? No. Just a device that needs to be maintained, like a car. It needs a power source and it needs to be repaired if it malfunctions.

As we all know, technology/devices aren't perfect and have a limited useful life.
 
Humans aren't perfect and have a limited useful life. But seriously, if all your production "profit" is being taken up in maintenance you are doing something very very wrong.
 
I never wrote that. Cost to buy/lease, maintain and useful life. And paying for the power it needs to run.
 
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Why does it need to be a humanoid anyway?
Humans are not necessarily the best load carriers - now TeslaElephant I could get behind.

The guy must think he's living in a 1950s sci-fi film, first the 50s style rocket and now a repro Klatu...
 
Therefore Musk promotes the idea of an Universal Basic Income. He says, in the future you can work, if you want to, but there will be no (absolute) need. (Quite diffrent to what whta B. Snders says...)
 
Universal Basic Income is certain death for society. I lived in the Soviet Union and even the "communists" (actually state socialists) recognized the obligation of work for everyone. With varying efficiency, of course, but everyone should work. With the exception of pensions for the old and sick.
 
Universal Basic Income is certain death for society. I lived in the Soviet Union and even the "communists" (actually state socialists) recognized the obligation of work for everyone. With varying efficiency, of course, but everyone should work. With the exception of pensions for the old and sick.
Why an obligation? I loved my job and found the transition to retirement due to a health issue hard but that is a long way from being the norm.

Wouldn’t finding your own purpose and way to get value from your day bring you more satisfaction and wellbeing than a job you find a drudge?
 
Beyond silly. Who would pay for basic income? Nobody?
Money Printer go BURRRRRRRRRRRR

Money printer maintain consumption of the "public" while making the numbers on the capitalist balance sheet ever bigger. If the nominal class of owner of balance sheet actually tries to use the suggested value, (hyper)inflation, default, etc will happen and thus financial crisis! However because physical capital remains no matter who bankrupts or whatever, for most functional polities they just pick themselves up and get sorted out after a bit, even if the kludge looks ugly.

There are of course, many ways to get stuff to work and the above is just one trick~

With varying efficiency, of course, but everyone should work. With the exception of pensions for the old and sick.
There is a growing demographic where they productive work is difficult to extract. New diagnostics of mental illness is growing in turn indeed: you can all be depressed, anxious, blah blah~ quite easily indeed.

The future is already here, just not evenly distributed.

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Some part of me wonder if the future of humanity is being professional out-raging "ethicists" (if you look at modern political campaigns, this is "useful")

Robots can do everything but have moral value!!!!!
 
Why does it need to be a humanoid anyway?
Humans are not necessarily the best load carriers - now TeslaElephant I could get behind.
Universality & compatibility. The absolute majority of infrastructure around is designed to accommodate humanoid forms. Non-humanoid robot would have problems moving around and operating equipment, designed for humans.
 
Universal Basic Income is certain death for society. I lived in the Soviet Union and even the "communists" (actually state socialists) recognized the obligation of work for everyone. With varying efficiency, of course, but everyone should work. With the exception of pensions for the old and sick.
Why an obligation? I loved my job and found the transition to retirement due to a health issue hard but that is a long way from being the norm.

Wouldn’t finding your own purpose and way to get value from your day bring you more satisfaction and wellbeing than a job you find a drudge?
Because your kids won't see the work example. They will only eat. The consumption of the majority will quickly kill the thin society of producers. Socialism takes away motivation not from consumers but from producers. The manufacturer cannot obtain good raw materials for production (creativity) and cannot receive a commodity reward for his work.

Capitalism forces people to work. Socialism has some advantages. But human nature makes the development of socialist society slow. The USSR lost the competition. He wasn't bad. It was just less good than capitalism.

And further.
In the late USSR, people wanted to combine the virtues of capitalism and socialism. Everyone wanted cars, jeans, and VCRs. At the same time they wanted free schools, houses, hospitals. The populists promised that it would.

As a result, the country suffered heavy losses. You will have this result.
 
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Because your kids won't see the work example. They will only eat. The consumption of the majority will quickly kill the thin society of producers. Socialism takes away motivation not from consumers but from producers. The manufacturer cannot obtain good raw materials for production (creativity) and cannot receive a commodity reward for his work.
I get a pension and insurance now so my basic needs are met and I could, in theory, sit on the couch for the next 30+ years but that doesn’t stop me doing more for my own enjoyment and satisfaction. That hasn’t stopped me inventing, collaborating and creating new products and businesses despite no longer having any significant financial incentive
 

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