Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor

[sferrin]

Unless Congress also programs additional funds for their sustainment and upgrades, the Block 20 aircraft may be of marginal value and may even eat into other modernization efforts.

I wouldn't expect Congress to care about this. Somebody else's problem.

 

[NMaude]

I wouldn't expect Congress to care about this.

In that case Congress needs a boot up its' collective arse.

 

[sferrin]

In that case Congress needs a boot up its' collective arse.

As they're being frog-marched to prison.

 

[GTX]

Enough of the emotive and frankly stupid rhetoric!

 

[F.L.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1798947001826156550

View: https://x.com/UnwantedBlog/status/1798947001826156550?t=-uv0tonibxDZANLd0SHC8Q&s=19

 

[Bruno Anthony]

Sprey is fairly biased when it comes to large fighters of any sort. He and the "fighter Mafia" went to great lengths to discredit the F-15 and both him and Ricionni have contiued to carry the torch with the F-22.

It’s amazing how their views never changed & how they’re frequently misinterpreted by even their ardent followers.
To build in peace time an Air Force to fight a conventional World War.
No one of course asks how much that would cost and where all the personnel would come from. Ideally they’d want an Air Force of 100,000 F-5s.

 

[Bruno Anthony]

I think you're being unfair to Ricionni about the F-22, he wrote the ATF specification so he's hardly an anti F-22 person. Probably just very upset that the aircraft didn't emerge as the Fast Transient aircraft that Boyd had envisaged.

The criticism about the F-22A's weights is fair. The YF-22 was bid as carrying 24,000 lbs of fuel and the F-22A emerged with 18,000 lbs (a 1/4 cut) which resulted in the supercruise endurance reduced to about 10 minutes in a 500 NM radius mission. Wether this performance is worth the cost of the F-22A with all its reduction in C4ISR and weapons load capability compared to the F-35A is the item of debate that the F-22A and all its supporters have thoroughly lost in the past years. Not that you would realise it reading much of the public commentary which is ill informed, biased and generally as wrong as it’s always been.

Updating old posts can be interesting. If Riccioni & Sprey hated the F-22, they would love the f-35!
Link to Riccioni writing the ATF specs please?

 

[Forest Green]

Sprey only liked the F-16 and he would have preferred it if that didn't have a radar.

 

[sferrin]

Sprey only like the F-16 and he would have preferred it if that didn't have a radar.

The YF-16. Dumb bombs, Maverick, and Sidewinders. That's it.

 

[Bruno Anthony]

The YF-16. Dumb bombs, Maverick, and Sidewinders. That's it.

Pretty sure they didn’t like Maverick either. The hope was to refight WW2 but with jets.
He said in the 80s that NATO should go with antitank guns over ATGMs.

 

[NMaude]

Pretty sure they didn’t like Maverick either.

So what do they have against Top Gun?

 

[Bruno Anthony]

So what do they have against Top Gun?

They hate the Tomcat and would’ve rooted for the MiG-28 stand-ins, their favorite plane, the F-5.

 

[TomS]

Pretty sure they didn’t like Maverick either. The hope was to refight WW2 but with jets.
He said in the 80s that NATO should go with antitank guns over ATGMs.

I'm suddenly thinking of Barrett Tillman's novel Warriors, which posits a war between Israel and Saudi Arabia with the Saudi Air Force flying mostly radarless F-20s and beating up on IAF F-15s and F-16s.

 

[Bruno Anthony]

I'm suddenly thinking of Barrett Tillman's novel Warriors, which posits a war between Israel and Saudi Arabia with the Saudi Air Force flying mostly radarless F-20s and beating up on IAF F-15s and F-16s.

When did he go apeshit?

 

[TomS]

When did he go apeshit?

Circa 1989 when he quit editing The Hook magazine and started writing novels full time, it seems.

 

[F.L.]

I'm suddenly thinking of Barrett Tillman's novel Warriors, which posits a war between Israel and Saudi Arabia with the Saudi Air Force flying mostly radarless F-20s and beating up on IAF F-15s and F-16s.

Does anyone know if this book has been translated into French ?

 

[TomS]

Does anyone know if this book has been translated into French ?

Lord I hope not. Would have been a terrible waste of a translator's time.

 

[flateric]

Can you keep on topic please?

 

[TomS]

Can you keep on topic please?

Sorry.