JPATS competition

[Stargazer]

Here's a three-view drawing that appeared at the back of Vought's official PAMPA 2000 promotional leaflet.
Interestingly the caption calls it "Pampa 2000 predecessor", reflecting the fact that Vought's variant, if built, would have somewhat differed in places from FMA's original version.

 

[Stargazer]

Here is the promotional leaflet of the Rockwell/Deutsche Aerospace Ranger 2000 given away at Le Bourget in 1993, like the one above.

 

[Nico]

Hi Gents,
about the ever interesting matter of US training aircraft I found this good picture of the two SIAI-Marchetti S.211 marketed under the Agusta and Grumman brand. Curiously the official caption reads "The PATS version" but the two aircraft already sport the JPATS logo, with Italian registration but Navy and Air liveries.
Nico

 

[Triton]

Vought Pampa 2000

Source:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?168892-Argentina-Armed-Forces-thread/page18

 

[Triton]

Promotional video of Vought Pampa 2000

View: http://youtu.be/3DTk7r2xCbQ

 

[Triton]

Model of Vought Pampa 2000 JPATS proposal found on eBay.

Source:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JPATS-PAMPA-2000-VOUGHT-AIRCRAFT-COMPANY-DESK-SHELF-MODEL-WITH-BOX-/330799381947?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d052dfdbb

 

[Triton]

Model of LTV/Vought PAMPA 2000 JPATS found on eBay. [Broken]

URL:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMA-IA-63-Pampa-2000-Resin-model-Vought-Aircraft-USAF-JPATS-entry-/290892062043?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba849d5b

Seller's description:

Vought Pampa 2000

In the 1990s, LTV/Vought selected the IA 63 as the basis for the Pampa 2000, which Vought entered into the Joint Primary Aircraft Training System competition for the USAF. The Pampa 2000 lost to the Beechcraft/Raytheon entry which became the T-6 Texan II.

URL:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMA-IA-63-Pampa-2000-Resin-model-Vought-Aircraft-USAF-JPATS-entry-/290892062043?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43ba849d5b

 

[Triton]

Model of the Northrop/Embraer EMB-312H Super Tucano for the Joint Primary Aircraft Training System (JPATS) competition found on eBay.

Description:

Factory desk model for the NORTHROP / EMBRAER EMB-312H SUPER TACANO. Proposal to the US Navy as a basic training aircraft.. Model is in excellent condition with great paint, original stand, great decals. Very similar construction to Topping style models. Model has a 9 1/2" fuselage with 9" wingspan.

Source:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMB-312H-SUPER-TACANO-NAVY-PROPOSAL-FACTORY-DESK-DISPLAY-MODEL-PRECISE-TOPPING-/400655456364?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d48ed186c

 

[Bill S]

Courtesy of the Vought Aircraft Historical Foundation Archives here a a few images
of the IA63 Pampa aircraft brought to the US for the JPATS competition.


I hope you have not seen these before.


bill

 

[Stargazer]

Very nice pics, thanks! Didn't know there were actually two aircraft diverted for that program.

 

[Stargazer]

The Teledyne Ryan JPATS entry that I know about was not a T-46A spin-off but an all new design with a configuration similar to Cessna.

Any chance you might be sharing a pic and/or some info on this rare project? Thanks in advance...

 

[Bill S]

I came across a viewgraf presentation from 1990 "JPATS Candidate Aircraft Competitive Analysis" in the VAHF archives.

I scanned a few of the slides that might be of interest to this discussion.

First was a list of the Competitive Systems and there were general arrangements of the various systems aircraft.

Here is the list, Grumman/SIAI S.211, Lockheed/Aermacchi MB-339C, Lockheed/Aermacchi MB-339D and the LTV/FMA IA63 Pampa.

 

[Bill S]

Here are the Pilatus PC-9, Rockwell/MBB Jet Fantrainer, Rockwell/MBB Fantrainer, GD/Cessna New T-37, Generic New Single Turbofan and the Generic New Twin Turbofan.

 

[Bill S]

I found the Rockwell/MBB team interesting since LTV had partnered with MBB on the Eaglet, but not this project.

 

[Stargazer]

And, of course, this doesn't include the Cessna 526, which was designed, test-flown and submitted in a record time, just before deadline... only to be brushed aside like all the others because the JPATS specification suddenly changed. Only the cheapest and less impressive candidate survived... the only prop-driven type, and the only one in this document not yet associated with a major US manufacturer, now marketed by Beechcraft.

 

[bigvlada]

Wasn't Soko G-4 Supergaleb a participant too?

 

[Stargazer]

Wasn't Soko G-4 Supergaleb a participant too?

There were other contenders at the early stage, but the report only lists those that made it through the first selection.

 

[Machdiamond]

... only to be brushed aside like all the others because the JPATS specification suddenly changed.

The requirements didn't change. The jets all stood a good chance to win, but the turboprops (Super Tucano and T-6A) could meet the performance requirements at a lower cost, which in the end turned out to be a key advantage.

In the early days, there was a list of interested vendors (who were given access to the draft RFP copies). Some made their interest public, others not, some pursued it seriously, others not, but this was not a list out of any initial selection process.

-Luc

 

[fightingirish]

Here a drawing showing Rockwell/MBB FanRanger (later: Rockwell/DASA Ranger 2000) the for the JPATS competition. It was first developed by Rhein-Flugzeugbau.
Edit: A first drawing of the Cessna 526 Citationjet Trainer JPATS proposal



Sources:
Luftwaffen-Forum, 01-1991, page 57
Luftwaffen-Forum, 01-1993, pages 8, 13-15

 

[hesham]

Nice find my dear Rolf.

 

[LowObservable]

Lockheed bid the MB339 in JPATS as the T-Bird II. Despite being bigger and faster than what the AF/USN said they wanted, it did meet most of the requirements without major redesign. One question was how the screeching Viper would meet the noise requirements.


This was the intended solution, fitted to Aermacchi's MB339C prototype.

 

[Bill S]

A recent visit to the Tulsa Air and Space Museum & Planetarium netted me a few photos of the Rockwell Ranger 2000 JPATS entry.
http://www.tulsaairandspacemuseum.org/ The museum also had a couple of documents in their library that I photographed
a few pages from and can share if there is any further interest in this design.

The only "down" side, the aircraft is currently being used as an attraction for kids to sit in and "fly". This has caused some wear
and tear along with the fitting of wooden mock up seats. The overwhelming "good" side is the aircraft has been saved and is available
for viewing. A true survivor from the JPATS competition.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Thats nice to see!

 

[Bill S]

In the TASM library they had a couple of copies/photocopies of Ranger 2000 documents.
Here is a hoisting diagram from the photocopy of the maintenance manual

 

[Bill S]

From the same manual at TASM here are the access points of the Rockwell Ranger 2000.

 

[AeroFranz]

Excellent stuff, you're spoiling us! ;D

 

[RAP]

Cessna JPATS model

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hyatt-Cessna-526-JPATS-Citation-Desktop-Model-Airplane-Plane/162125627347?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37182%26meid%3D64cd2fc90e90415e88fb1a4ed03d9fe2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D262510180083

 

[RAP]

Some more photos of the Vought Pampa 2000.

 

[RAP]

...

 

[TomS]

The Weyerhauser TP-1. It was the first jet ever made out of interior-grade plywood. ;D ;D

Does anyone have images, drawings, specs for the Weyerhauser TP-1?

It's a joke. Weyerhauser makes lumber and wood products.

 

[djfawcett]

It is a mock-up by Hamilton Aerospace (George Hamilton) for a trainer in the JPATS competition. It never was real.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Good Day All -

A cut sheet for the Agusta Grumman S211 from the Dick Atkins Collection.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[archipeppe]

Good Day All -

A cut sheet for the Agusta Grumman S211 from the Dick Atkins Collection.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Such aircraft is the direct ancestor of the current Leonardo M-345

 

[fortrena]

The JPATS program and Canada

As the 1990s began, a plan to privatize the basic training of Canadian Forces pilots aroused much interest in Belgium. At the end of 1990, or the beginning of 1991, Promavia, allied itself with the government of Saskatchewan to propose the creation of a training center for civilian and military pilots, and of a factory that would produce the Promavia Jet Squalus F1300, a modernized version of the Procaer F.400 Cobra, a two-seater single engine aircraft which had made its first flight in November 1960.

That said, Promavia was also considering the possibility of manufacturing a more powerful derivative of the Jet Squalus. The company wished to complete two prototypes of this ATTA-Single in order to participate in the JPATS competition. Anxious to increase its chances of success, the small Belgian aircraft manufacturer contacted a few American companies. Promavia also worked on an advanced training and ground attack jet version of the ATTA-Single, the ATTA-Twin. The small Belgian aircraft manufacturer also negotiated the production rights for the General Avia F.22 Pinguino, a light two-seater Italian initial trainer developed by the designer of the Cobra / Jet Squalus.

Promavia International was established in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, in 1991 but did not have a factory. The company joined forces with a dozen small and medium-sized Canadian companies allied within Aerospace Consortium of Mississauga or Malton, Ontario, a group created for this purpose in 1990, with the aim of producing aircraft in Canada. The federal government agreed to support the marketing of the Jet Squalus, assuming that Promavia International could start production.

That said, Industry, Science and Technology Canada (ISTC) did not share the enthusiasm of the promoters of the many Promavia / Promavia International projects. This federal ministry did not believe they had any chance of winning the JPATS competition. The Canadian Forces also did not plan to replace their Canadair CT-114 Tutor jet trainers for several years. As well, the ministry was skeptical about the production of Jet Squalus for civilian flight schools.

Although disappointed with the attitude of ISTC, the Government of Saskatchewan remained interested in the possibility of establishing a training center for civilian and military pilots. The defeat of Donald Grant Devine’s government in the November 1991 election did not seem to have changed much. In fact, around February or March 1992, the new provincial government undertook to lend money to Promavia International if the latter managed to obtain private investment. All of this money was to help build a plant near Saskatoon International Airport. With the aircraft manufacturer apparently failing to raise the necessary funds on time, the Government of Saskatchewan slowly withdrew from the project.

 

[fortrena]

A follow up if I may.

Around 1996, Alberta Aerospace, a new company based in Calgary, Ablerta, but possibly founded in Nova Scotia, purchased the production and sales rights to the Promavia Jet Squalus F1300, as well as the two prototypes. The company wanted to manufacture this aircraft, renamed the Phoenix FanJet and now intended for training new airliner pilots, not far from Calgary. The name of the former Canadian Forces Base Claresholm was sometimes mentioned in that context.

In order to accelerate the service introduction of the aircraft, Alberta Aerospace wanted to use airframes manufactured by contractors as a first step. In the longer term, the company intended to manufacture the Phoenix FanJet in its shops. Alberta Aerospace also wanted to produce a four-seat business jet derived from the Jet Squalus / FanJet.

The Alberta company having failed to pay all the money it owes to Promavia, the latter had to declare bankruptcy in 1998. Suddenly, the creditors of the Belgian aircraft manufacturer became the owners of the Jet Squalus. Following often acrimonious negotiations, Alberta Aerospace obtained the production rights again in July 1999. The company then launched negotiations with sub-contractors from North America, Asia and Europe. It was still planning to assemble the trainer and business aircraft, renamed SigmaJet and MagnaJet respectively.

A Czech aircraft manufacturer, Moravan Aeroplanes, became a partner of Alberta Aerospace around September 2000. Indeed, the latter seemingly helped Moravan Aeroplanes to take control of another Czech aircraft manufacturer, LET, in 2001. The transaction went south in 2002 when Moravan Airplanes found itself embroiled in bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, Alberta Aerospace apparently changed its name in 2000 to Phoenix FanJet. Annoyed by the lack of progress despite the sums invested, the main investor ended the company's activities in November 2001. A small group of investors tried to relaunch Alberta Aerospace / Phoenix FanJet around 2005-06, without much success it must be admitted.

Noravcan, a form founded in Calgary around 2005-06 at the latest by these same investors perhaps, tried to sell the production rights to the SigmaJet and MagnaJet until the second half of the 2010s.

 

[riggerrob]

After the JPATS competition, the Canadian Department of National Defence contracted-out pilot training to a variety of civilian companies. Now Royal Canadian Air Force pilots train on: Grob 120A, Harvard II and BAE Hawk.

The piston-pounding Grob 120A trainers came from Germany. I had a hand in maintaining their pilot emergency parachutes. The PEPs were sewn by Specon in the former East Germany. Their old military specification had clearly been rubber-stamped by the new combined German gov/t. Because of differences between German and North American civilian parachute maintenance standards, I was appointed the North American Technical Representative for Specon and responsible for re-certifying their PEPs airworthy every couple of years. The Grobs were maintained by Allied Wings (a sub-set of Kelowna Flightcraft) and they employed several RCAF-surplus parachute riggers who had no desire to actually get their hands on nylon. I even offered to go to the prairies to train Allied Wings' parachute riggers to Canadian or FAA certification standards. .....
Instead, we sent parachutes back and forth by registered courier, an expensive and complex process.
By the time I parted company with Allied Wings, I had recommended replacing all the parachute harnesses because of fraying. Specon had changed ownership and "forgotten" that they had a North American Technical Representative?????
Instead of re-harnessing or replacing those PEPs, Allied Wings deleted them from their training program. Their logic included the data that only one airplane in their Beechcraft Musketeer and Grob programs had crashed. They blamed the crash on an instructor pilot using an incorrect spin-entry procedure.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Cessna T-48 at the end of NGT competition (T-37B with Garret F109 turbofans and new avionics), but it was just before the JPATS .....

The Cessna submission to the NGT competition was actually powered by two Teledyne CAE 444 turbofans, not the F109 (the General Dynamics NGT submission had two F109s). Also, there is no evidence of T-48 ever being used, let alone reserved, for the Cessna NGT submission, because the T-47 designation was assigned a year after Fairchild Republic won the NGT competition in 1982.

 

[VictorXL188]

I have saved virtually everything about the JPATS competition from Aviation Week & Space Technology in 1991-93 and if someone's interested I can upload articles and pics of the main contenders as well as the more exotic Hamilton T2 Texan and Bede BD-10J.

Here are 6 full page advertisements from the main competitors. I don't remember seeing one of the Rockwell FanRanger, but there probably was one I suppose.

Bit late in the day, but any chance of showing us that Hamilton T2 Texan please?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Hamilton Aerospace has completed a ground test prototype of
its all-composite aircraft that the San Antonio, Tex-based
company is offering as a contender for the U. S. Air Force’s
Joint Primary Aircraft Training System (JPATS) program.
Designated the T2 Texan, the tandem-seat aircraft employs a
carbon-fiber airframe. It is 33 ft., 2 in. long; 10 ft., 2 in. high and
has a gross weight of 5,150 lb. The wingspan is 30 ft., 8 in. with
an area of 190 sq. ft. Powered by Garrett F109 engines, the
aircraft will have a range of 2,250 naut. mi. and will be capable
Company President George D. Hamilton said the prototype
was constructed from production tooling. Avionics are being
installed in the aircraft, which will be used for ground-based and
taxi tests. Two more aircraft are under construction with the
first flying prototype expected to be completed by the end of
November, according to Hamilton.
A light attack version of the aircraft—the AT2—is also under
development (AW&ST Sept. 3, 1990, p. 185). This version will
feature swept-wings and will be powered by Pratt & Whitney
Canada JT15D engines.

Aviation Week 3rd August 1992

 

[kenfalzon]

I found this on one of my CDs and can't remember anythimg about it. Anyone?

That's the Hamilton Aerospace A-II Avenger