India's 5th generation fighter programme - from MCA to AMCA

India defense forum users claim that this IRST image is old information meaning that they are probably not going with it in the end? Apparently there are users whom I am not going to say who show up in su-57 and PAK-DA threads on this forum posting old info images so its not that much of a surprise that users that have viewed aircraft threads in its entirety on forums before feel a little peeved seeing old info being brought up again.

Unless if BlehDFI feels like bringing up the dates of when those images were released.
 
Not necessarily no IRST, it is just that we don't know if it is still in the current design.
 

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I can get many valuable information by links.
 
I can get many valuable information by links.
you can provide a bit more context.

you just posted a bunch of pictures just earlier with out much information.
But they are all of various (mostly older) models from different time periods.
some of which have been already discussed. Try to scroll back to the earlier pages and see where we have gone up to this point. thanks!
 
Hi! Air India 2009 display model and Aviation Week & Space Technology November 29 2010.
 

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I think that horizontal tail stabilizer shape changed during from 2020 to 2021.
 

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Hi! 2019 data?
https://zims-en.kiwix.campusafrica.gos.orange.com/wikipedia_en_all_nopic/A/HAL_AMCA
General characteristics
  • rew: One pilot
  • Length: 17.2 m (56 ft 5 in)
  • Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 39.9 m2 (429 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 17,273 kg (38,080 lb) (estimated)
  • Max takeoff weight: 29,465 kg (64,959 lb) (estimated)
  • Powerplant: 2 × Undecided[92] afterburning turbofan The AMCA will initially fly with two GE-414 engines." it can be replaced with Indian power plant once developed.
Performance
  • Maximum speed: 2,656 km/h (1,650 mph, 1,434 kn)
  • Range: 3,240 km (2,010 mi, 1,750 nmi)
  • Ferry range: 5,324 km (3,308 mi, 2,875 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,200 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 230 m/s (45,000 ft/min)

Armament
  • Guns: 23 mm GSh-23 cannon
  • Hardpoints:10 with provisions to carry combinations of:
 
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India is trying to develop such a great fighter on its own, so it's amazing.

http://www.defencereviews.com/2020/07/india-accelerates-amca-fighter.html
"India accelerates AMCA fighter development
July 23, 2020
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is working feverishly with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and the Aeronautical Development Agency to develop the indigenous Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft (AMCA). The modular design of the fifth-generation twin-engine single-seat aircraft is said to be finalised.

‘That is what we are putting our energies into,’ ACM Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria said recently. More than most of his predecessors, Bhadauria has supported the need to focus on indigenous design and manufacturing. Six squadrons of AMCAs are planned initially. The first flight is expected in 2024-25, followed by trials and tests. It will be in full production by 2029, to be followed by the Mk2 version by 2036.

Amid the ‘Make in India’ mantra, HAL could soon announce a JV along with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and a private company to progress the AMCA programme. Once signed, it will be the first time the private sector has worked on the same platform as HAL rather than just being a tier supplier.

Raman Sopory, founding president of the Aerospace & Defense Consultants Society of India, said: ‘HAL has to constantly evolve and there must be an export angle to this.’

Plans to work with Russia on joint development of a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) were set aside by early 2017. ‘We have no plans to import any FGFA, nor will we enter into any joint agreement with a foreign country,’ said Bhadauria.

The twin-engine AMCA, which is to have an indigenous AESA radar, has been a long time coming. In 2018, $60 million was allotted for prototype design and R&D. The project will face similar technology and knowledge transfer challenges as FGFA, because ‘no nation is willing to share its stealth technology’, a senior official admitted.
However, an agreement is on the cards between the UK and India to co-create a new 110kN jet engine for which India will get IP. The new engine core will not be based on the Eurojet EJ200 due to the complex IP ownership within the EuroJet Turbo consortium.

Anil Gupta, military head of Airbus India, said: ‘Getting ToT [transfer of technology] for a new engine design is good progress from the technology infusion point of view.’

The initial contract with Rolls-Royce is likely to be for 140 engines over a nine-year period. Before then, the 25t-class AMCA will be powered by the General Electric F414 delivering more than 90kN of thrust. South Korea’s KF-X also uses the F414.

Stealthy aircraft carry weapons in internal weapon bays to avoid detection. However, the Indian-made Astra beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile is 3.6m long. ‘Since it doesn’t fit into the bay, its length will have to be reduced,’ said an official.

An unmanned version of the AMCA will have to wait. ‘Any system needs proper control and guidance. The pilot-in-the-loop system has to be replaced. Challenges remain on where they will test it…It isn’t easy and, at the moment, it is wishful thinking,’ a senior IAF engineer told Shephard on condition of anonymity.

Source: Shephard Press Limited"
 

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actually GaN AESA radar is in the works and CENTUM ELECTRONICS won the bid to make x band plank units

also according to reports AMCA CDR will be completed in early 2022 and rollout in 2023 followed by flight in 2024
 
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Any idea why all these new generation fighters have such bad rear visibility, is it only for drag reduction purposes or also for stealth?
 
Any idea why all these new generation fighters have such bad rear visibility, is it only for drag reduction purposes or also for stealth?
Stealth mostly. Mainly as a means to reduce spikes originates from surface discontinuity

As one wish to "blend" the shape of the body, hence protrusions like canopy must be shaped so it wont "pop-out" like conventional bubble canopy.
 
Stealth mostly. Mainly as a means to reduce spikes originates from surface discontinuity
I'd argue that answer is more simple - because those who really wanted rear vis, got it(in particular - two dedicated air superiority 5th gens in service).
Multirole platforms always cherished forward visibility more - hence, tended to incline the cockpit forward somewhat.
 
new reports : CDR near completion, funds will be passed by CCS in early 2022
New 110 kn engine development foreign partner will be decided early next year
 
DRDO started the procurement of various sub systems for testing of Power Take off shaft for AMCA. The power takeoff (PTO) shaft of an aircraft is a critical component of the power plant system. CC. Varun

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I don't think the first model of AMCA will feature EOTS but i could be wrong. Fanboys overthink about models too much. The only way to accurately say if something will end up in AMCA Mk1 is to look through public tenders and research papers published by the various labs of DRDO
 
AMCA will 99.9% be using foreign engines, but the question remains which one. The most likely and rumoured option is the GE's F-414 engine but this engine is too underpowered for the AMCA to reach its full potential. AMCA to reach supercruise will need to generate 220kN of thrust (in Indian conditions), compared to the 2x90Kn = 180kN of the F-414 in Indian conditions. Plus if the US puts India under CAATSA then the entire programme is at risk.

All the foreign JVs that comes on the news every other month will remain on paper as no country will give away such technology without demanding billions in return. GTRE has started working on 120KN thrust AMCA engine but this is still a long way to go.

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India's current technology level is a full 2 generations behind, although it is still very impressive how far GTRE has gotten with an insulting budget of $500 million - $1billion spread across 3 decades. We currently do not have any materials that can withstand the temperatures required for such an engine. The current DMRL's DMS4 (SCB) can withstand up to 1850K TET when bilayer TBC is applied on it but to go beyond, a new generation of alloys need to be developed
 
will it end up being a stealthy Rafale in the end?


I most certainly hope not helmutkohl, I hope that India keeps to the design that they have got and only gets France to give assistance to the designing and building of the engines for the AMCA.
 
will it end up being a stealthy Rafale in the end?

Its just a engine project
india don't have time to make a engine from scratch,we failed in the kaveri project
so the plan is to have a Joint Venture with the RR or saffran and india will get the full IP rights
And this engine would satisfy the need of 3 planes which include amca,tedbf and tejas mk1
 

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