Comic artist versus Real Aircraft

[Michel Van]

i beginn with something new

Comic Art vrs Real Thing

so post here your favorite comic aircraft

Belgian artist Roger Leloup
Roger Leloup, born in Verviers, stands out for the highly detailed and technical drawings in his trademark series 'Yoko Tsuno'. In the early stages of his career, he was mainly doing background art assistance for Herge, Jacques Martin

The Adventures of Tintin - Flight 714 ( Vol 714 pour Sydney )
feature the "Carreidas 160" was design and draw by Leloup
a swing-wing private jet !

by the way:
the "Carreidas 160" and "The Adventures of Tintin" are Rights of the Hergé Foundation
and they have nasty Lawyer

 

[Justo Miranda]

Roger Leloup is one of my favorite comic artist ;D

he design and draw the Carreidas 160 for Herge comic "The Adventures of Tintin - Flight 714"

So do I!
Leloup is the best!
Please see attached two drawings that will be part of my next book , including 80 technical drawings of the rocket,the lunar tank and spacesuits of "Objectif lune" and "On a marché sur la lune".
I will exhibit the whole set in blueprints mode 30x40 format during the next meeting of Tintin fans in Chabeuil-France , next september.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi Michel
I have found two 3 views from R.Leloup in the Carbonel site
please see

http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2001_4P/YOKO_Colibri/index.html

http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2001_4P/YOKO_Vinea_X/index.html

 

[Michel Van]

cool Picture Justo

question to Tim Moonrocket

was they used as "Chemical Motor" for liftoff ?

some source say this http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3p.html

The main engine is apparently a NERVA style solid nuclear thermal rocket fueled with plutonium. The launch site has a breeder reactor used to cook uranium 238 into plutonium for fuel rods. The rocket lifts off and lands with an axillary chemical rocket fueled by nitric acid and aniline, so as to prevent contaminating the ground with radiation.

other say its water heated by reactor core

fact is the Rocket need to be 40 km high be for ignite the nuclear engine
(coming down is easy the rocket slows down by Atmospheric reentry, rest take the Chemical engine)

for the atomic engine
a NERVA style solid NTR has nor en off trust for constant acceleration (and Artificial Gravity)
how ever there are alternatives

DUMBO, This was a competing design to NERVA for High Trust NTR engine
more here http://www.dunnspace.com/00339489.pdf

Nuclear salt-water rocket
very nasty stuff but high trust and high speed with less Fuel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_salt-water_rocket
in fact is salty seawater like but with dissolved salts of Plutonium or U235.
These would be stored in tanks that would prevent a critical mass from forming by
some combination of geometry or neutron absorption
ones out of this tank it start a runaway fission chain reaction

One design would generate 13 megaNewtons of thrust at 66 km/s exhaust velocity
(compared to ~4.5 km/s exhaust velocity for the best chemical rockets of today).

but is like a constant nuclear explosion at end of rocket

 

[Justo Miranda]

The problem with the Tim Moonrocket is that we had to adapt to the texts in the comic and use 1950 technology only.
The texts said that the chemical engine should work with nitric acid and aniline and my calculations told me that the dam thing is a heavy as a light cruiser!
We resorted to two types of UNOBTAINIUM materials, already described in other comics of the same series, the TORNASOLITE, an antiradioactive and thermal super insulating, and the CALISTENE a heat superconductor acting as antiradioactive shield also.
The propergols react in a normal combustion chamber and the gases are ENORMOUSLY accelerated in a venturi located in the reactor core and insulated by a thermal lens of calistene to obtain the required momentum to take off. The control was achieved by V2 style nozzle vanes.
545,200 lt of water were stored in the peripheral tanks and were used as balancing mass, so that the gyroscopes are not overloaded, in the heating exchange system and finally as ejection mass of the atomic engine that is used only in the space.
Before entering into the engine (for nuclear mode propulsion) the water is used to refrigerate the reactor in a container of pressurized water and the nozzle rocket. Afterwards, it is dissociated in H and O2 using some devices known as Trypho-Crackers and goes into the combustion chamber and through the superheated venturi before being ejected by the nozzle.

We have had to use many tricks to make the thing look functional: NERVA, PLUTO, PWR, Nuclear salt water and more…

The text is not clear about the nuclear fuel used by the rocket. Apparently it is something like NERVA

 

[Justo Miranda]

Good Retro-future video!


http://www.nextnature.net/?p=1809

 

[Michel Van]

The text is not clear about the nuclear fuel used by the rocket. Apparently it is something like NERVA

in that case take DUMBO is like NERVA but with fare more trust !

The propergols react in a normal combustion chamber and the gases are ENORMOUSLY accelerated in a venturi located in the reactor core and insulated by a thermal lens of calistene to obtain the required momentum to take off. The control was achieved by V2 style nozzle vanes.

that sounds like "Nuclear Lightbulb" engine
were liquid or Gaseous nuclear fuel is confined in a fused quartz chamber, heat hydrogene
that even better because More trust (but less speed)
fuel gas uranium hexaflouride (U235F6)

Before entering into the engine (for nuclear mode propulsion) the water is used to refrigerate the reactor in a container of pressurized water and the nozzle rocket. Afterwards, it is dissociated in H and O2 using some devices known as Trypho-Crackers and goes into the combustion chamber and through the superheated venturi before being ejected by the nozzle.

that a Nuclear heated chemical engine !!!

Engine Thrust Power Thrust Engine mass
(GWatts) (newtons) (tons)
NERVA 0.198-0.065 49000 10
DUMBO 14.0-4.6 3500000
Lightbulb 4.5 445000
more here http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3c2.html
all of this stuff developed in 1950s

Good Retro-future video!

I WANA LIVE IN THAT RETRO FUTURE :'(

 

[Justo Miranda]

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that a Nuclear heated chemical engine !!!

That is. Texts in the original comic did not leave me any other option.

 

[Apophenia]

How about an earlier era?

I like the 'Baby Bullet' from Zack Mosley's Smilin' Jack . Sleek, stubby winged, and zero visibility ... where else but in the comics? ;D

 

[Michel Van]

i hope this 'Baby Bullet' got a periscope for the Pilot (for Take off and Landing)

 

[Justo Miranda]

How about an earlier era?

I like the 'Baby Bullet' from Zack Mosley's Smilin' Jack . Sleek, stubby winged, and zero visibility ... where else but in the comics? ;D

Blind and fast ?
I have two more

 

[Apophenia]

Wow, the SK-1 I know (and no surprise it ended up with a conventional canopy) but this 'blind' version of the Me-309 is totally new to me. Nice one, Justo!

 

[BAROBA]

Back on topic
The 'Carreidas 160' is aviable as a scalemodel.
I have seen it in a store called 'beo' in Antwerps,Belgium.
Ofcourse I forgot my camera to take a snapshot of it.

I love Roger Leloups technical designs
A friend of mine modeled the Colibri, the small jet featured in one of his Yoko Tsuno comics.
http://www.baboe.eu/LW/main.php?g2_itemId=414
Nice little bird

cheers

 

[Justo Miranda]

And I love Colibri

 

[Rafael]

Is there a 3-view of the colibrí?

Rafa

 

[amsci99]

Wikipedia enty on the Carreidas 160 states that there were radio controlled and free flight models which were flown and thereafter demonstrated the soundness of the design. As for the marquette/model of the Carreidas 160, I found this whilst surfing

http://www.pastjoys.nl/TINTIN/tinleblon1.html

How about some designs (very sci-fi) from the anime world,starting with something from Sentou Yousei Yukikaze or Supersylph Yukikaze

http://cafe.daum.net/ProjectE5

and from the Gainax classic, 'Wings of Honneamise : Royal Space Force

http://www.hlj.com/product/WAVGN-01

 

[flateric]

Seems that Orionblamblam should silently switch to making Tintins...I'm shattered out with prices...

 

[Michel Van]

Tim models
man Wat for Price 450 € = US$660
no way i pay so much for that Junk !

Yoko Tsuno
to SAL (Swiss Aircraft Limited) Colibri from "le Canon de Kra"
here some Scan from Leloup original drawing

Note Leloup is a modelbuilder fan and for his work he builds first some Models !
so here picture of Leloup original Model of Colibri
http://yoko.tsuno.free.fr/index.php
http://www.yokotsuno.com/fr/accueil.html
by way Leloup work for moment on New album "La Servante de Lucifer"

Project E5
Nice Aircraft Degsin that look almost is work also in Real

 

[Justo Miranda]

I have found one of the earliest Leloup drawings

 

[Antonio]

I have seen mention of Bill Gunston designs . Do we have them here ?

I could scan his drawings on a new Topic not here because he is not a comic artist. Which Gunston's drawing are you interested? I posted an ATB at whatifmodelers some time ago but I have an STOVL Stealth tactical fighter too.

Regards,

Antonio

 

[r16]

please , do not go to extremes in searching . I was hoping to get the tailless Harrier replacement with the F-16 style canopy and the dorsal inlet he had in the Warplanes of Future or a similarly named book which might be the one you mention .

best wishes and thanks .

 

[Michel Van]

the tailless Harrier replacement with the F-16 style canopy and the dorsal inlet

sound like the harrier P.1216 design

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2219.msg18661.html#msg18661

 

[Rafael]

I would like to see some of those Gunston's drawings if possible, Antonio.

Rafa

 

[Antonio]

Rafa,

Tonight I'll post several conceptual aircraft from Gunston's books

 

[Rafael]

Gracias - Thank you

It is Extremely hard to get literature in these lands from abroad

Rafa

 

[r16]

Pometablava ,

ı have seen the topic on Bill Gunston and the plane I had wanted to see ; many thanks .

 

[Michel Van]

here from artis who much better as me ;D

Juan Giménez
he love Aircaft tanks spaceships
here a sample

 

[Merv_P]

here from artis who much better as me ;D

Juan Giménez
he love Aircaft tanks spaceships
here a sample

Yes; I think Gimenez' background is either in architecture or engineering. I've always like his depiction of hardware - futuristic but plausible.

 

[Merv_P]

I grew up on the Gerry Anderson shows, and some of the designs made it into comic form, mainly in TV21. Here's my favourite design, modelled and drawn - though I don't remember what it was called.

 

[OM]

...Only Tintin could have a plane equipped with "Surpise Lines" around the cockpit ;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

The name is RTL2
From Modelstories 2002
(JC Carbonel Site)

 

[Firefly 2]

It surprises me that nobody mentioned the Xjet

Dan Cooper's Blue Triangle

 

[Justo Miranda]

And Buck Danny VTOL ...

 

[Justo Miranda]

Insectiform nazi bomber from an unknown Rocketeer comic

 

[Justo Miranda]

And Barelli XYZ-I prototype !

 

[Firefly 2]

This golden oldie from Hergé: 1000 clicks per hour stratoplane

 

[frank]

This is the 'Test Plane' from the little comic included with the early '70s Hasbro GI Joe Adventure Team action figure set "Fantastic Freefall". Ironically, the box art shows a gray SAAB Viggen & is supposed to be US. The a/c pictured makes me think of a CF-100 Canuck relative.

 

[skyrocket01]

One of my own (book, design, and model):

Skyclipper Li

(Editing for new links because I moved the book to my Rebellion Creations site on Facebook):

https://www.facebook.com/RebellionCreations/photos/?tab=album&album_id=662213843885820

https://www.facebook.com/RebellionCreations/photos/?tab=album&album_id=665749080198963

https://www.facebook.com/RebellionCreations/?ref=bookmarks

Design was developed for the book, and used the model for photo-reference (still trying to design CGI version, I'm not really up to speed on Blender, etc., yet).

 

[amsci99]

If there's anyone interested in line drawings of the aircraft featured in the sci-fi anime, 'Sentou Yousei Yukikaze' or 'Superslyph Yukikzae', please refer to the following thread.

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4489&st=560&gopid=668194&#entry668194

Looks like a contender if the JSDAF is interested in an alternative design for their RCS fighter!

 

[Michel Van]

THE Classic Comics Aircraft

Edgar. p. Jacobs: Le Secret de L'Espadon (The Secret of The Swordfish)

is a nuclear powered diving Aircraft
launch under water, equip with nuclear missile

the aircraft L'Espadon was publish first in Journal de Tintin nr°28 on 14 Juillet 1949