2 Unknown Projects to identify

[overscan (PaulMM)]

From Alain Pelletier via Tony Butler.

First one may be a missile. Second looks familiar to me - Martin project?

 

[Grey Havoc]

Second looks familiar to me - Martin project?

I'm getting that feeling too. A thread not too long ago. Arghhh! What was it!

With regards to the first design, British or Canadian, Avro maybe, drone? Just some wild guesses.

 

[Retrofit]

The second one looks like one of the Convair supersonic flying boats as described in "American Secret Projects: Bombers, attack & anti-submarine aircraft" pages 159-161.

 

[Stargazer]

Second one definitely has a Martin feel to it. But I could be wrong.

 

[toura]

Hi all

The second is a studie for Martin XB 68

 

[toura]

XB 68 No details !

 

[toura]

ONE OTHER......perhaps yours Very bad !

 

[starviking]

From Alain Pelletier via Tony Butler.

First one may be a missile.

And very obviously area-ruled - both in the fuselage and engine fairings. To my untrained eye heavily so. If there's a solid evolution of area-ruling design it could be used to date it.

Of course, we could just wait for Andreas to chip in

 

[Stargazer]

First scan looks definitely the part. At least a variant of the same design.

Second scan contains two different designs: 3-view plan has never formally been proved to be a Martin design, although it has been in circulation for 50 years with the "XB-68" label. The wind tunnel model is closer to the actual XB-68 design, the Model 316.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Its definitely Convair.

Its similar to the Convair Supersonic Attack Seaplane (1955) as shown on P87 of Convair Advanced Designs by Robert Bradley and P159-160 of American Secret Projects: Bombers, Attack and ASW Aircraft by Tony Buttler.

The picture wrongly identified as XB-68 looks to be the same exact same design, looks like its in a NASA windtunnel. Presumably people jumped to the conclusion it was a model of the B-68 because it had a "Martin" look to it.

Scott posted this drawing of Sladek's "water-based B-58" in the XB-68 topic whose tailcone and tail engine intake looks even closer to this model:

The only difference looks to be the wing planform.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Scott posted this drawing of Sladek's "water-based B-58"

Actually, I didn't. A poorly constructed post: the text does not relate tot he drawings. I don;t think I've posted the "Water based B-58" drawings.