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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2013, 08:59:18 am »
Global Security seems to have a list
 
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/nbmr.htm
 
 
NBMR-1lightweight strike fighter(1953) FIAT G.91
NBMR-2NATO Maritime Patrol Aircraft
NBMR-3V/STOL strike reconnaissance aircraft
NBMR-4V/STOL medium range transport aircraft
NBMR-5long-range shipborne ASW weapon system
NBMR-6counter-fire locators
NBMR-7air/air missile (collision course)
NBMR-8?????
NBMR-9land mine warfare
NBMR-10armor-plated transport vehicle
NBMR-11medium-arranges ship/air missile for small ships (short term)
NBMR-12?????
NBMR-13close-arranges ship/air missile for small ships (short term)
NBMR-14?????
NBMR-15?????
NBMR-16?????
NBMR-17data-handling for equipment small ships (naval units)
NBMR-18close-range ship/air missile for small ships (long run) (1973)
NBMR-19?????
NBMR-20?????
NBMR-21long-range shipborne ASW weapon system (1966)
NBMR-22V/STOL short range transport aircraft
NBMR-23establishing needs in the field of night vision
NBMR-24low altitude surfaces/air weapon system
NBMR-25?????
NBMR-26"Calculators for terrestrial forces (1965)"
NBMR-27"information matériel on the battle field"
NBMR-28recoverable exercise groundmines
NBMR-29medium-arranges ship/air missile for small ships (long term)
NBMR-30"system of identification of submerged submarines (1967)"
NBMR-31long-range shipborne ASW weapon system (1970-1975)
NBMR-32main battle tank
NBMR-33combat infantry armored vehicle
NBMR-34for an armored vehicle of transport
NBMR-35?????
NBMR-36"systems of identification of the friendly planes" (long term)
NBMR-37material for NBC defense
NBMR-38system of machines for fast patrol boats
NBMR-39"short range artillery support matériel 1970-1975"
NBMR-40 system of engines for fast patrol boats
 
For nearly half a century following the Second World War, the military establishments of West Europe and the United States spent most of their resources preparing for a massive war with the Soviet Union, in the hopes that preparation would prevent such a cataclysm from actually occurring. As the allied forces prepared for war in the Central European theater, it became increasingly obvious that the logistics of conducting such warfare would be vastly simpli?ed if forces ?ghting side by side could use the same type of fuel, ammunition, and even parts. As weapons systems grew more costly and complex, it also became apparent that greater economies of scale could be obtained from longer production runs, which argued for common weapons systems among allies.
 
For the countries of the Warsaw Pact this standardization was largely fulfilled through the common use of Russian weapons.
 
For logistical and deployment reasons a similar standardization was necessary within NATO. A first step along this path was the effort of various NATO groups to agree on the development of common military equipment via the NATO Basic Military Requirement (NBMR) procedure in the late 1950s. In 1953, NATO issued a requirement designated "NATO Basic Military Requirement 1 (NBMR-1)" for a "light weight tactical strike fighter" (LWTSF).
 
The North Atlantic Council established an ad-hoc working group to structurally reorganize cooperation in research, development, and production of militaryequipment. The joint working group submitted a report that was adopted by the Council on 4 November 1959. This document - C-M(59)82 - would bethe basis for cooperative efforts over the next seven years. The procedure consisted of seven steps in the development of new military equipment, starting with research and the formulation of basic military requirements, to testing and evaluation, to a production program. The procedure became known as the NATO basic military requirement (NBMR) approach. A basic military requirement was "an indication in general terms of the kind and type of equipment required, and also of the quantities needed and the date when it was desirable that the equipment should be in service."
 
By 1962 there was only one success, NATO's Breguet Atlantique maritime patrol aircraft, a project in which five nations participated. Several other projects awaited decisions. By 1963, it had become clear that realizing cooperative efforts in research, development, and production was very difficult. Expectations lowered, and cooperative efforts continued at a slower pace.
 
The requirements for artillery, for instance, were laid down in fundamental concepts in the "NATO Basic Military Requirement (NBMR 39)" in mid-1963. This document proposed that future artillery generations have a tube and a rocket weapon (with a range of around 30km) which could engage hard targets with direct fire. In working up the detailed individual requirements (operational characteristics) for NBMR 39, the NATO group established the 155-mm tube artillery as the standard caliber. In contrast to ballistics and ammunition, however, NATO partners could not agree on a common artillery piece, because of different tactical requirements. Both versions of the 155-mm caliber (the wheeled and the self-propelled) were needed - for a field piece and for an armored howitzer.
 
After less successful NBMRs on aircraft, in 1967 NATO established the Conference of National Armament Directors (CNAD), which is the primary policy-making body in NATO for procurement. It was intended to encourage greater standardization andinteroperability of weapons systems, and to stimulate joint programs for research, development,and production of weapons systems.

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2013, 05:49:49 am »

And that makes the contenders for NMBR.4 as following;

Shorts PD.55,Agusta A.118 & A.119,BAC-224,SIAI S.201,Aerfer-2102,
AW.681,EE P.36,Fiat G-222 V/STOL,Avro-783,Bristol-208,DH-129
Dornier Do.31E and Breguet Br.941.


Also;


EE P.41 & P.44,Canadair CL-62,Breguet Br.943 to Br.947,LTV ? and DH Canada Caribou II.

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2013, 09:52:10 am »
Sud Aviation proposed a project for NMBR4 (loock like the Do 31) :)

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2013, 09:57:57 am »
Hi Mirage 4000,


can you tell us about what was that Sud Aviation proposal,info or drawing ?.

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2015, 07:27:20 am »
Hi,


we can add Ryan and two Belgium companies to NBMR.3 contenders;


 - Ryan M-209D (maybe)
 - Avions Fairey ?
 - SABCA S.?
 - Hawker P.1150/3 & P.1154
 - BAC/Vickers Type 583,584 & 585
 - Armstrong Wgitworth AW.406
 - Shorts PD.45,PD.49 & PD.56
 - BAC/English Electric P.39
 - Dassault Mirage IIIV
 - Fokker-Republic D.24
 - Fiat G95/4
 - Breguet Br.122
 - Nord N.4400
 - EWR VJ.101
 - Focke Wulf FW.1262
 - Lockheed CL-704
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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2015, 05:29:37 am »
Hi,


for NBMR.4,the Focke Wulf submitted a proposal for V/STOL transport aircraft with twelve
RB.162s in two wingtip pods and Douglas also submitted a proposal but maybe in conjunction
with Piaggio.


Now we can say the the tenders were;


Shorts PD.55,Agusta A.118 & A.119,BAC-224,SIAI S.201,Aerfer-2102,AW.681,Fiat D-222 (V/STOL),
EE P.36,P.41 & P.44,Bristol-208,Avro-783,DH-129,Dornier Do.31E,Breguet Br.941,Br.943 to Br.947,
Canadair CL-62,LTV V-?,Focke Wulf ?,Douglas D-? or Model-1xxx,DHC-4 Caribou II and Ryan,
for Ryan I suggest the designation was Model-2108,or as my dear Skyblazer suggest,it was
Model-210B.

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2015, 07:29:45 am »
According to this 1975 paper, there were in total 49 NBMRs formally issued before the system was abandoned in 1965.
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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2015, 07:54:54 am »
According to this 1975 paper, there were in total 49 NBMRs formally issued before the system was abandoned in 1965.


Great find my dear Grey.

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2017, 05:04:29 am »
we can add Ryan and two Belgium companies to NBMR.3 contenders;

 - Ryan M-209D (maybe)
 - Avions Fairey ?
 - SABCA S.?
 - Hawker P.1150/3 & P.1154
 - BAC/Vickers Type 583,584 & 585
 - Armstrong Wgitworth AW.406
 - Shorts PD.45,PD.49 & PD.56
 - BAC/English Electric P.39
 - Dassault Mirage IIIV
 - Fokker-Republic D.24
 - Fiat G95/4
 - Breguet Br.122
 - Nord N.4400
 - EWR VJ.101
 - Focke Wulf FW.1262
 - Lockheed CL-704

We can add; Canadair CL-72
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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2017, 12:49:51 pm »
Re: NBMR-4. Anyone know what the HSA.129 was? I'm assuming a  Hawker Siddeley Aviation project but am having trouble visualizing it.

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However, sideways mounted engines with sideways facing intakes have also been proposed as in the HSA.129 submission for the NATO NBMR 4 military transport aircraft.

The Aerodynamics of V/STOL Aircraft, May 1968, 'Paper E: Turbo-Jet/Turbo-Fan Aircraft' by John Williams [Aerodynamics Department, RAE, Farnborough], AGARDograph 126, AD 688921, pg 293

BTW, 'Caribou II' wasn't a DHC-4 ... it was the original, working name for the DHC-5 Buffalo  ;)

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2017, 12:58:04 pm »
My dear Apophenia,

it was Hawker Siddeley was HS.129 (De Havilland division,originally DH-129).

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Re: NATO Basic Military Requirements (NBMR)
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2017, 02:47:49 pm »
Ah, thanks Hesham. So those "sideways mounted engines with sideways facing intakes" refers to the podded (and vector-nozzled) lift-jets. Now I get it.

To increase the nozzle vectoring range and also reduce the transition pitching moment and hot gas ingestion in ground effect, the jet lift units were laid horizontally ...

Addendum to AGARD Report No.710 Special Course on V/STOL Aerodynamics: An Assessement of European Jet Lift Aircraft, RS Williams, BAe Kingston, 5.3 Subsonic Transports, pg. 3 http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a155604.pdf