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Offline Jemiba

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #210 on: June 17, 2013, 09:57:23 pm »
Well, apart from the wrong designation and the landing gear, which is too much "U 2 style" (probably just implying,
that it was a hastily made Soviet copy ...  ::)  ), the drawing actually isn't that bad, especially taking into account
the part of the description saying "... Beobachtet worden ist "Mandrake" auch mit einer kürzeren, stumpferen Nase"
(Mandrake was observed, too, with a shorter, blunter nose).
Reminds me of the good old times, when we were browsing through mags and newspapers for blurry photos of
Soviet aircraft and trying to sketch them ... with paper and pencil, of course. Steam-powered really !  ;D
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #211 on: June 18, 2013, 01:12:14 am »
probably just implying, that it was a hastily made Soviet copy ...  ::)

As if the Soviets weren't capable of pulling such tricks...  ::) Just ask Beriev!!!  ;D
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17946.0

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #212 on: June 18, 2013, 04:14:35 am »
As if the Soviets weren't capable of pulling such tricks...  ::) Just ask Beriev!!!  ;D
Well, compared to the S-13 the Mandrake actually was an original !
The lineage of the Mandrake actually seems to have been ascribed to the Yak-26. That
explains the much longer distance between the main gear legs.
 
 
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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #213 on: June 19, 2013, 04:34:42 am »
Well, apart from the wrong designation and the landing gear, which is too much "U 2 style" (probably just implying,
that it was a hastily made Soviet copy ...  ::)  ), the drawing actually isn't that bad, especially taking into account
the part of the description saying "... Beobachtet worden ist "Mandrake" auch mit einer kürzeren, stumpferen Nase"
(Mandrake was observed, too, with a shorter, blunter nose).
Reminds me of the good old times, when we were browsing through mags and newspapers for blurry photos of
Soviet aircraft and trying to sketch them ... with paper and pencil, of course. Steam-powered really !  ;D


 ;D ;D ,Yes my dear Jemiba,


and in my old files,I have from an Arabic magazines,they had a group of misidentified Soviet
aircraft,but unfortunately I didn't keep them.

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #214 on: June 23, 2013, 05:32:44 am »
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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #215 on: June 25, 2013, 09:10:42 am »
Hi,


from a Germany book,the Sukhoi Su-9 Fishpot early imagination to it.

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #216 on: June 26, 2013, 05:56:41 am »
Not too far off the mark though given the Sukhoi T-3 flew at Moscow-Tushino on 24th June 1956. It looks almost exactly like the T-3 down to radio antenna behind the canopy, the twin flutter booms on the wing stabilisers and the extra pitots on the wings. Not a bad guess at the time.

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #217 on: June 26, 2013, 06:14:20 am »
Yes my dear Hood,


they tried to develop the T-3 in their imagination.

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #218 on: July 22, 2013, 06:59:10 am »
Hi all,
just as a matter of curiosity (little historical interest, of course) an extract from INTERAVIA n.3 year 1952.
The title is:
Le bombardier "universel" de Staline
The section tells about a then little known project of Tupolev and starts with a declaration of US Gen. Hoyt S. Vandenberg of 17/02/1951, who said "...USSR is working on a bomber with performance similar to those of Consolidated Vultee B-36..."
Speculations about the airplane's layout were "...surely a large bomber with swept wing, swept high mounted stabilizers, six turboprops with contra-rotating propellers..."
According to the author, designation must have been "Tu-75" or "TuG-75, because also Gurevich is involved on the project" but probably "the father of this aircraft is Dr. Ing. Baade, who worked at Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke".
"...the tubular fuselage is 51 mt long and the wing has flexible structure with a span of 68 mt, as the landing gear is bicycle type retracting in the fuselage".
"...engines are 6 BMW028-derived turboprops developing 7000 HP each and 30 RATO bottles for takeoff only..."
"...speed could reach 880+ km/h, range and payload is in the same class of B-36 and a crew of 22 men (!) is needed to ensure a good service during long flights..."
"...another prototype by Tupolev has made its first flight in September 1950, with 6 couples of DB-626 engines, developing 4000 HP each".
 

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #219 on: July 22, 2013, 09:10:34 am »
From Italian book "Aviazione Oggi - Storia" - F.lli Fabbri Editori - 1976

"Profilo del Backfire, denominazione NATO data al nuovo bombardiere Tupolev, del quale non è ancora apparsa in Occidente alcuna fotografia ("AEREI" n.10/1975 - disegno di Gianni Riccardi)"

"Profile of the Backfire, the designation given by NATO to the new Tupolev bomber, of which has not yet appeared in the West any photographs ("AEREI" n.10/1975 - drawing by Gianni Riccardi)"

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #220 on: July 22, 2013, 09:39:28 am »
Great find Visvirtusvoluntas

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #221 on: July 23, 2013, 07:22:55 am »
Thank you Hesham.
This is described as Tupolev Tu-10, powered by 2 Chelomej Nene (sic) turbojets, max speed around 900 km/h - Unknown source, 1952.

As we know, no aircraft was produced with Tu-10 designation in that period and the nearest one in external shape was the Tu-14. But I suppose that this image was created after the aquisition of first low quality photos of Il-28 (see swept tail surfaces). The wrong attribution to Tupolev was a venial sin, I think.

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #222 on: July 23, 2013, 12:51:19 pm »
Many thanks vis, very interesting contributions!

Antonio

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Re: Artists Concepts of real or imagined Soviet aircraft
« Reply #223 on: July 24, 2013, 09:59:55 am »
Gratias ago tibi magno cum gaudio.  ;)

I recently found my old magazine's collection. Hope to find something else.

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