Paris attacks: 60 reported killed, hostage situation ongoing
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
Triton said:Islamic State?
Orionblamblam said:I suppose so. Thing is that these incidents aren't perpetrated by organized groups, with paid-up memberships and ID cards and secret handshakes and such; any schmoe can do something horrible and claim to have done it for IS or AQ. Rarely see the Godzilla Fan Club taking credit, I'll note.
Orionblamblam said:I suppose so. Thing is that these incidents aren't perpetrated by organized groups, with paid-up memberships and ID cards and secret handshakes and such; any schmoe can do something horrible and claim to have done it for IS or AQ. Rarely see the Godzilla Fan Club taking credit, I'll note.
Avimimus said:Orionblamblam said:I suppose so. Thing is that these incidents aren't perpetrated by organized groups, with paid-up memberships and ID cards and secret handshakes and such; any schmoe can do something horrible and claim to have done it for IS or AQ. Rarely see the Godzilla Fan Club taking credit, I'll note.
I agree. It is more like "I'm going to do something, and you've got a famous brand, and my ideological position is close enough you won't deny it" than something organised by a shadowy network of supervillians. On the whole, it is just sadly tragic and pointless. It is odd how people don't see that.
JeffB said:Hopefully the French can backtrack their logistics to a clear point of origin, work out who's supplying these bastards.
Orionblamblam said:JeffB said:Hopefully the French can backtrack their logistics to a clear point of origin, work out who's supplying these bastards.
Problem: the supplies they use are things like AK-47s and simple explosives. These can be obtained virtually anywhere. Even if the French found out where they got their bombs, guns and bullets, there'll be a hundred other suppliers ready to sell the same items to the next nutjob.
Steve Pace said:When the U.S. invaded Iraq (big Bush) it opened a "can of worms" it thought it had closed. When the U.S. re-invaded Iraq (little Bush - to finish the job daddy had started) it opened an infinity of terror from which there's no end in sight. -SP
Abraham Gubler said:Steve Pace said:When the U.S. invaded Iraq (big Bush) it opened a "can of worms" it thought it had closed. When the U.S. re-invaded Iraq (little Bush - to finish the job daddy had started) it opened an infinity of terror from which there's no end in sight. -SP
Is that why there had been no Islamic motivated terror attacks before 2003? And I seem to recall France having nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. Even being so against it French Fries (which were invented in Flanders by Sephardi Jews) were even renamed in some parts of the USA.
If anything the OIF campaign probably greatly reduced the number of terror attacks on western targets outside of the Middle East. By consuming much of the effort internally and focusing Sunni onto Shia (and vice versa).
Really there is only one person or group of persons to blame for these attacks. And that is those Muslims who persist in believing and advocating for violent takeover of most if not all of the world's states and running them according to their interpretation of their religion. Maybe we can also heap some blame on those useful idiots who seem to find no shortage of excuses for this simple, objective attribution of responsibility.
Steve Pace said:When the U.S. invaded Iraq (big Bush) it opened a "can of worms" it thought it had closed. When the U.S. re-invaded Iraq (little Bush - to finish the job daddy had started) it opened an infinity of terror from which there's no end in sight. -SP
Skyblazer said:Seldom have I seen such wise words be written on this board.
merriman said:Were any of these terrorists .... Muslim?
Bonus question: on this dirt-ball who is the majority, christian's or Muslims? (Who is the MINORITY!...)
David
Steve Pace said:When the U.S. invaded Iraq (big Bush) it opened a "can of worms" it thought it had closed. When the U.S. re-invaded Iraq (little Bush - to finish the job daddy had started) it opened an infinity of terror from which there's no end in sight. -SP
merriman said:I'm proposing .... no, demanding! .... that those Muslim's who don't support terrorism stand tall, say so publicly and loudly, and root out the terrorist among them. In the absence of that, come the next 9-ll event here, EVERY American-Muslim will find himself, and his beloved family, baking under the hot sun in some American desert, behind razor-wire. We've done it before. We'll do it again. Here's our chance (their chance) to stop this thing in its tracks. At least over here -- in the Land of Opportunity.
David