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Zhuhai 2008: J-10 Airshow Debut

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBZLghZ3-Tw

posted by unknauthr on http://www.sinodefenceforum.com
 

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Posted on http://www.sinodefenceforum.com by adeptitus, this missile system appears very similar to US RAM.
 

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Posted by tphuang on http://www.sinodefenceforum.com, this is apparently the WS-10A turbofan.
 

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A selection of nice images from http://www.china-defense.com/forum Zhuhai 2008 topic
 

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Regarding the title of this tread !!!

Unpacking a Chengdu J-10 :D

Just unbelieveable a few years ago !!! :eek: ::)

http://tuku.military.china.com/military/html/2008-11-04/114402_999991.htm

and

http://news.sina.com.cn/hdphoto/2008/1104/58.html

Enjoy them, Deino
 

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very nice ... my current most favourite ! :-*
 

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And what is this !?? ??? :eek: ... real or fake ?
 

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I was more interested in this pic, which shows former vice-chair of the CMC Zhang Wannian being shown a model, rather reminds me of the famous Li Peng with model J-10 pic of a few years back...
 

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collins355 said:
I was more interested in this pic, which shows former vice-chair of the CMC Zhang Wannian being shown a model, rather reminds me of the famous Li Peng with model J-10 pic of a few years back...


Ohhh ... is this also from Zhuhai ?? ... and could it be that both "models" are the same ? ANd when You say the "former vice chair-man of the CMC ... Do You know until when he was in that position ?
Otherwise I'm not sure but isn't the other guy also known ? (I think from that carrier-related AEW-model) ???

A translation of the small text.line below the picture I posted says something like:

"Video: Flying Leopard suspected stealth version appears official video"


Deino ???
 

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Quick attempt to Photoshop the pic back to normality. Looks pretty JH-7ish.
 

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overscan said:
Quick attempt to Photoshop the pic back to normality. Looks pretty JH-7ish.

Do You mean "pretty JH-7ish" in lne of being a "fighter-bomber" or in line of being a development of the JH-7 ?

In my opinion it looks very much - esp. this CAD-cut - like a design based and enlarged on the FC-1 / JF-17, but surely not a JH-7-based design.

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9500kg (21,263 lb) thrust class turbofan
 

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Deino said:
collins355 said:
I was more interested in this pic, which shows former vice-chair of the CMC Zhang Wannian being shown a model, rather reminds me of the famous Li Peng with model J-10 pic of a few years back...


Ohhh ... is this also from Zhuhai ?? ... and could it be that both "models" are the same ? ANd when You say the "former vice chair-man of the CMC ... Do You know until when he was in that position ?
Otherwise I'm not sure but isn't the other guy also known ? (I think from that carrier-related AEW-model) ???

A translation of the small text.line below the picture I posted says something like:

"Video: Flying Leopard suspected stealth version appears official video"


Deino ???

Zhang Wannian was promoted to full general (i.e. four star) in 1993. He became a vice chairman of the Central Military Commission in 1995. He remained in that position until 2003.

For your future reference, http://chinavitae.net is an excellent source to look up bio details.
 

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Thanks a lot !

CHeers, Deino
 

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For all who always wanted to count the rivets on a J-10 !!!

http://www.china-defense.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23&st=2150 all pictures are 1600 x 1066 pixel and about 1 Mb large !

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Did you happen to snag them before the forum got shut down? ;)
 

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sferrin said:
Did you happen to snag them before the forum got shut down? ;)


YES .... all !!!

I will upload them somewhere and post the links later.

CHeers, Deino
 

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Thanks for posting them !

Especially this one is intersting (post-11-1226051408.jpg) - the first one in the third series of pictures - as it shows for the first time the typical Chinese formation-flying markings.

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Just found an interesting note here: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/


Blog contributor Vladimir Karnozov, a Moscow-based aerospace journalist, visited the Zhuhai air show this week, and files this sobering report about the new J-10 fighter.

ZHUHAI -- There is an old anecdote. The optimists around the world learn English. The pessimists, Chinese. But down-to-earth study the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

I think it is time for the down-to-earth crowd to study their rifles using Chinese manuals!

Two years ago every important source told me, let's wait two years and see what comes of China's new J-10 fighter.

Now everyone I trust says the Chinese pulled it off, and the J-10 has proven a tremendously successful program.

I watched how the J-10 flew over Zhuhai, in 30 degree Celsius temperatures and high humidity.

The pilot did none of the show tricks like post-stall or tail slide or pitch-back, but turns were very tight, initial rate of turn very high. It was clear there is a lot of potential in this airplane to achieve the same maneuvers more quickly.

The pilot rarely used afterburner and the degrees of canard deflection were small. Still, the airplane flew very well. I reckon it will beat F-16C or MiG-29/SMT easily.

Chinese have already completed over 100 J-10s and they have bought more Russian engines for next series.

I do not think they would buy more Flankers since the J-10 is as good as the Flanker, to say the least.

Chinese military said "no" to local engine makers and "no" to local makers of some key systems, instead buying these critical items directly from Russia.

As for AWACS support, it is present with 4 A-50 equipped with KJ-2000 radars and it seems the Chinese have bought a special version of the Ka-31, although very much different from the Indian navy version. Apparently with a new radar.

If proper tactics are used, the PLAAF can beat Taiwanese opponents in conventional air war. Unless the US makes it into a full scale world-for-world battle, the central committee of the Chinese Communist Party does have a chance.



A Russian aerospace journalist, who praises a Chinese fighter .... I can't believe it !!!

Deino
 

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Modellers rejoice, remarkable photos Overscan thank you for sharing them.
 

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;) Finally !!!
 

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More J-10 pics, from http://www.calf.cn
 

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Examination of the closeups leads me to conclude J-10 is mostly aluminium in construction. Appears to have no large scale use of composites.
 

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Lets not forget the other interesting stuff from Zhuhai. Here's a beautiful JH-7A pic from http://www.calf.cn
 

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More - HU-6, J-8, more JH-7A
 

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Found the original source of those J-10 closeups and some shots were missing. Here's some more.
 

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Moe Zhuhai pics
 

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overscan said:
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Nice one ... I only knew this picture in a smaller version ! THANKs !

Very interesting is this "new" WIG or flying boat (??) called "Jiao Long" !

... then new trainer CJ-7 as a CJ-6 replacement and a strange J-8T (T= tezhong = special warfare) maybe the JZ-8F recce version or a "rumoured" SEAD-capable model ! ???

Deino
 

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Zhuhai says good bye !!
 

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Latest From China Zhuhai Air Show

Seems like I saw something like this in a recent post here? Anyone got more info on what this is?

Lots more here page through the pics:

http://picasaweb.google.com/SpaceshipUSA/ZhuhaiAirShow110708?authkey=s_IYGoWccOo#5267199489626230370
 

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Re: Latest From China Zhuhai Air Show

Deino ya out there...? I think found the thread by Overscan, but can anyone ID this jet. Is this a pic of the same jet?
 

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airrocket said:
Deino ya out there...? I think found the thread by Overscan, but can anyone ID this jet. Is this a pic of the same jet?

No, ... the one on top is the Yak-130, whereas the one below is the Hongdu L-15.

The L-15 was developed in cooperation/assistance with Yakovlev and is based on the Yak-130, but it's a super-sonic trainer.

Deino
 
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