What if these influential aircraft were not adopted, how would it have affected other designs?

[helmutkohl]

There are certain aircraft whose designs are so influential, quite a number of other aircraft often incorporate some (or a lot) of its design features.
They may not be the first ones to do it, but they are certainly the ones that made it popular.

For example

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend
F-22: made popular the general configuration of 5th gen aircraft (F-35, J-31, KF-21, etc)

What if these planes never made it into production. Would other aircraft in the world, at that time period, continue to use a similar configuration?

For example.. would the J-31 or KF-21 look the way they do if say, the YF-23 was chosen instead of the YF-22?

 

[sferrin]

There are certain aircraft whose designs are so influential, quite a number of other aircraft often incorporate some (or a lot) of its design features.
They may not be the first ones to do it, but they are certainly the ones that made it popular.

For example

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend

Rightfully so. The Vigilante preceded the MiG by years. North American generated several other designs with ramp intakes back then as well (late 50s/early 60s).

 

[tomo pauk]

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend
F-22: made popular the general configuration of 5th gen aircraft (F-35, J-31, KF-21, etc)

Ta-183: we don't know how much the designers in 1945-46-ish were familiar with the type. Front intake was used on Gloster, Heinkel and Messerschmitt first 1-engined designs, for example.
F-16: low-set intake might've looked like as in the Crusader, indeed. The F-16's intake was shorter and thus lighter.
F-4: no splitter plates = greater usage of Mirage-type intakes.
MiG-25: preceded by the Vigilante.
F-22: the F-23 is the role model for the 5th gen fighters.

 

[sferrin]

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend
F-22: made popular the general configuration of 5th gen aircraft (F-35, J-31, KF-21, etc)

Ta-183: we don't know how much the designers in 1945-46-ish were familiar with the type. Front intake was used on Gloster, Heinkel and Messerschmitt first 1-engined designs, for example.
F-16: low-set intake might've looked like as in the Crusader, indeed. The F-16's intake was shorter and thus lighter.
F-4: no splitter plates = greater usage of Mirage-type intakes.

F-104 type intakes. The F-106 also had supersonic VG intakes. TheYF-107 and Ye-8 had similar style intakes, albeit one ventral one dorsal, but that style never really caught on for whatever reason. (I'm referring to the style, not locations.) edit: On second thought, Rockwell (North American) took that YF-107 inlet, flipped it upside down, and stuck two of them on the B-1.

 

[pathology_doc]

There are certain aircraft whose designs are so influential, quite a number of other aircraft often incorporate some (or a lot) of its design features.
They may not be the first ones to do it, but they are certainly the ones that made it popular.

For example

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend
F-22: made popular the general configuration of 5th gen aircraft (F-35, J-31, KF-21, etc)

What if these planes never made it into production. Would other aircraft in the world, at that time period, continue to use a similar configuration?

For example.. would the J-31 or KF-21 look the way they do if say, the YF-23 was chosen instead of the YF-22?

Ta-183 - Front intake is nothing new, both the British and German first jets used it.
F-16 - see photos of Hawker's P.1121, dating back to the mid-late 1950s.
F-22 - others might be seen as copies, but it's also quite possible to see them as convergent evolution, different design teams either coming to the same aerodynamic conclusion or looking at the F-22, referring back to their own designs and realizing WHY this was chosen as the preferable layout.

 

[helmutkohl]

There are certain aircraft whose designs are so influential, quite a number of other aircraft often incorporate some (or a lot) of its design features.
They may not be the first ones to do it, but they are certainly the ones that made it popular.

For example

Ta-183: made popular the front intake, thats been used in the MiG-15, Tunnan, Saber, etc
F-16: made popular the deep chin-intake (differing from the front chin in take like the Corsair and Crusader) thats since been adopted in the Lavi, J-10, Eurofighter, etc.
F-4: made popular the use of splitter plates at the intake. Also used in the Flogger, J-8II, etc
MiG-25: made popular the use of angled intakes, also used in the F-15, MiG-29, etc.. although some argue its the A-5 that started that trend
F-22: made popular the general configuration of 5th gen aircraft (F-35, J-31, KF-21, etc)

What if these planes never made it into production. Would other aircraft in the world, at that time period, continue to use a similar configuration?

For example.. would the J-31 or KF-21 look the way they do if say, the YF-23 was chosen instead of the YF-22?

Ta-183 - Front intake is nothing new, both the British and German first jets used it.
F-16 - see photos of Hawker's P.1121, dating back to the mid-late 1950s.
F-22 - others might be seen as copies, but it's also quite possible to see them as convergent evolution, different design teams either coming to the same aerodynamic conclusion or looking at the F-22, referring back to their own designs and realizing WHY this was chosen as the preferable layout.

the point isnt about who did it first as I mentioned.. but which aircraft made it mainstream or popular.

(There are other aircraft that had a deep chin intake before the F-16, but its pretty clear that other production aircraft that used a similar approach came after it.)

and if that aircraft did not exist, would all the others aircraft continue to use the same design ideas?

 

[sferrin]

F-22 - others might be seen as copies, but it's also quite possible to see them as convergent evolution, different design teams either coming to the same aerodynamic conclusion or looking at the F-22, referring back to their own designs and realizing WHY this was chosen as the preferable layout.

Except the YF-23 looks nothing like it, and it met the same requirements, arguably better.

 

[UNKNOWN990]

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