What about more powerfull catapults? A jet with low stall speeds could get airborne. AFAIK, Henschels Hs 132 was supposed to be an anti-shipping design at first, so it could be navalized if Kriegsmarine wanted so (correct me if I am wrong). It also had a pilot in the nose and in prone position = better visibility.Avimimus said:Jets would be too slow to accelerate, however many jets towards the end of the war were proposed with reusable liquid rockets for assistance in taking off - so a hybrid rocket-jet with a large enough wing to allow landing at low speeds is a plausibility.
I get your point for this airplane up untill the point where later variants of F4U Corsairs would be leased to British carriers. From that point on, Wulfs would have a hard time.Jemiba said:The most likely candidate to me would have been the Fw 190.
Do you have any pictures of it, because I cant seem to find it on the internet. :-\Hood said:Also I've seen mention of a Blohm und Voss asymmetric design (P.62) as a "Marine-Stuka" but I have no idea if that was meant to be carrier-based or not.
The issue operating early jets from carriers wasn't so much the getting airborne in the first place. It was more about the engines spooling up fast enough if the arrest or landing was missed and the aircraft had to do a go around.Stuka_Hunter said:What about more powerfull catapults? A jet with low stall speeds could get airborne.
Ah I get it now. So maybe a mixed design, like Blohm & Voss BV P.194 would be perfect?GTX said:The issue operating early jests from carriers wasn't so much the getting airborne in the first place. It was more about the engines spooling up fast enough if the arrest or landing was missed and the aircraft had to do a go around.Stuka_Hunter said:What about more powerfull catapults? A jet with low stall speeds could get airborne.
The slogan "Alles was fliegt, gehört mir !" (Everything that flies is mine !) by Herman Göring wasn'tStuka_Hunter said:.... so it could be navalized if Kriegsmarine wanted so
That is highly unlikely. With the Battle of the Barents Sea in 1943, Hitler decided to scrap the entire surface fleet. I see only 2 possible scenarios from that point on:Jemiba said:
Against this, it has a wide track undercarriage that is probably better for carriers.shaba said:the fw -190 would be a poor choice in my oppion ,it had poor forward vision and a bouncy undercarriage . the bf-155 would be good enough for the rest of the war after that who knows.for bomber the 87 E would work but if they could get a licence for the d4y that would be better.
Thanks for the move. o7Jemiba said:So, before it's demanded, I put this thread in this section.
Consider, though - against a poorly protected convoy, what more do you need? The Bf109s can probably handle the CAM Sea Hurricanes or Martlets easily enough while the Stukas wreak havoc on the escort ships and/or the biggest Merchantmen, and either or both can act as shadowers guiding U-boats in. Put her up in Norway with the Tirpitz and she becomes significantly more trouble to sink and better placed to act?DWG said:Graf Zeppelin was actually tremendously flawed as a carrier design, perhaps more so than any other carrier outside of the Japanese BBVs, because of the cradle launch system, which actually made her intended ops cycle more like a glorified seaplane carrier. Beyond the Fi-167, everything needed a purpose-designed launch cradle, and the number and type of cradles carried both determined her air group and limited her alpha-strike capability.
I think there's a serious argument to be made she'd have been stuck with Bf 109s and Stukas through the end of the war.