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Somes views of US Warships Design of 2000's period

1). US corvette (probably a much Improved Saar V, proposal for Israel...)

2). US Fast attack craf (maybe a proposal for saudi arabia, ect...)

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Your photos offer more than a few surprises!

First of all, I'm amazed to see what appear to be inward facing "cocoon" launchers on the Sa'ar V based corvette. I didn't know that the BAE Systems was still marketing the concept? In any case, it makes sense that launchers are facing inward for the sake of low observability.


Second of all, I'm equally stunned by the smaller "Enforcer" corvette, which is entirely new to me? I see it has conventional shafts, not waterjets?

Were there any brochures available at the show, or any further information?
 

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TinWing said:
Were there any brochures available at the show, or any further information?

brochure for this two design
 

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Interesting. The gun mount in the model of the corvette sure looks a lot like a low-RCS Mk 45 5-inch gun, which would be exceptionally large for such a ship. The brochure version clearly has a Mk 110 57mm gun, which oddly enough doesn't look that much smaller (though it certainly would be lighter).
 

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TomS said:
Interesting. The gun mount in the model of the corvette sure looks a lot like a low-RCS Mk 45 5-inch gun, which would be exceptionally large for such a ship. The brochure version clearly has a Mk 110 57mm gun, which oddly enough doesn't look that much smaller (though it certainly would be lighter).

Well, 62 meters is a rather small hull for a 5 inch gun, at least in terms of past practices. However, the model might accurately depict a configuration that is possible, if not entirely probable. The Mk 45 gun housing is quite compact, so the model might very well be in scale.
 

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Are there specifications or dimensions for these designs?

I am confused that the sales brochure identifies the designs as belonging to Northrop Grumman, with Pascagoula, MS being the location of the shipyard for Ingalls Shipbuilding now part of Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding, while the caption for the photographs states Lockheed Martin. Are these designs a joint venture with Lockheed Martin? Not that I can keep up with all the mergers, acquisitions, and consolidations that are occurring in the defense industry.
 

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Triton said:
I am confused that the sales brochure identifies the designs as belonging to Northrop Grumman, with Pascagoula, MS being the location of the shipyard for Ingalls Shipbuilding now part of Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding, while the caption for the photographs states Lockheed Martin. Are these designs a joint venture with Lockheed Martin? Not that I can keep up with all the mergers, acquisitions, and consolidations that are occurring in the defense industry.

The caption writer was just as confused as you and it is wrong. They are Northrop-Ingalls products.

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Well, 62 meters is a rather small hull for a 5 inch gun, at least in terms of past practices. However, the model might accurately depict a configuration that is possible, if not entirely probable. The Mk 45 gun housing is quite compact, so the model might very well be in scale.

Mk 45 was designed to be mounted on hulls as small as around 1,000 tonnes (which is about what a 62 metre hull would displace). Just no one’s actually done it yet. This ‘gunboat’ version of the ship also lacks the LCS type fit out of air search radars as the 57mm armed corvette.

The 127mm gunboat would probably not be able to carry as much ammunition as a typical frigate/destroyer (around 400-600 rounds per gun) and would not be as stable a shooter (meaning higher dispersion of the rounds) but it could get real close inshore and be able to power from firing position to firing position. So would be a neat little NGS platform for supporting raids and the like (Pebble Island) rather than amphibious assaults. Though I’m sure the medium gun is more for whacking Iranian offshore platforms rather than supporting the troops ashore.
 

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That's actually a Vosper-Thornycraft hull, much like the Iranian boats and the Amazon class, IIRC.

EDIT: Well speak of the devil:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6115.0.html
 

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Advertisement for Northrop Grumman Littoral Corvette and Multipurpose Corvette aka Saar 5B.

Source:
http://www.cirlotdefense.com/portfolio/northrop-grumman/
 

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