• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Unmanned Logistics Air Vehicles

GTX

All hail the God of Frustration!!!
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2006
Messages
2,996
Reaction score
491
Website
beyondthesprues.com
Hi folks,

I'm looking for Unmanned Logistics Air Vehicles (ULAV) (might also go by the designation U Transport AV, or U Cargo AV). I know about the CQ-10 SnowGoose (see Pic below), but what about other proposals/developments - for instance under the various BURRO (Broad-area Unmanned Responsive Resupply Operations) concepts?





More info on the Snow Goose can be found here: http://www.mmist.ca/SnowGoose%20Brochure.pdf

Regards,

Greg
 

GTX

All hail the God of Frustration!!!
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2006
Messages
2,996
Reaction score
491
Website
beyondthesprues.com

GTX

All hail the God of Frustration!!!
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2006
Messages
2,996
Reaction score
491
Website
beyondthesprues.com
There is also this concept for a MULE UAV - I believe this is based on the Solotrek concept (though I may be wrong). If anyone has more info please post it.



Regards,

Greg
 

hesham

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
May 26, 2006
Messages
26,663
Reaction score
3,457
Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2004/2004-09%20-%201496.html?search=ULAV

http://defense-update.com/features/du-1-07/aerialdelivery6-ulav.htm
 

Attachments

  • ULAV  1.JPG
    ULAV 1.JPG
    17.6 KB · Views: 22
  • Hawkeye_uav.jpg
    Hawkeye_uav.jpg
    4.6 KB · Views: 756

flateric

ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Staff member
Top Contributor
Senior Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2006
Messages
9,043
Reaction score
863
...dunno why, but renders reminded me of all that 'Caret' BS :)
 

Attachments

  • caret3.jpg
    caret3.jpg
    21.2 KB · Views: 55

Creative

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Feb 15, 2008
Messages
241
Reaction score
3
New variant of UAV from the first post here. CQ-10B

http://www.mmist.ca/pg_ProductsSnowGooseAircraftCQ10B.php
 

Attachments

  • CQ-10B.jpg
    CQ-10B.jpg
    97.3 KB · Views: 42

cluttonfred

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2008
Messages
1,373
Reaction score
98
Website
cluttonfred.info
This actually sounds like an excellent reason to revive the old assault glider concept. It would not be hard to come up with a unmanned cargo glider, maybe with 2-axis controls for simplicity, perhaps with the guidance and control electronics built into a pelican case to be recovered and reused. With modern GPS guidance and perhaps some sort of ground beacon for the final approach and a retro rocket in the nose and/or a braking parachute it could get in to some very small spaces. A simple, disposable design kept as basic as possible about the size of the General Aircraft Hotspur could carry one ton of cargo.
 

Dragon029

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Mar 17, 2009
Messages
753
Reaction score
91
The CQ-10 Snowgoose sounds like what you're asking for; the B variant of it is an autogyro version, but delivers just over a ton to within 30m of a marker.
 

cluttonfred

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2008
Messages
1,373
Reaction score
98
Website
cluttonfred.info
Neat, that's not far from what I had in mind. The powered parachute version is perfect for short-range operation from a forward base, but the added range and flexibility of the jump-takeoff autogyro version comes at the price of much complexity and higher cost. I was thinking more of traditional glider-style towed launch by a powerd fixed-wing aircraft. The WWII Waco CG-4A had a glide ratio of about 12:1 and could carry two tons, more at "emergency load." If our modern disposable, unmanned cargo glider is a little more aerodynamic, say a glide ration of 15:1, that would give it a maximum no-wind range of about 30 miles when launched from 11,000 feet above ground. A small "sustainer" engine powerful enough to maintain altitude (but not enough for takeoff or significant climb) as proposed by Miles Aircraft back in the 1940s could easily extend that range to a couple hundred Miles, with the engine switched off for the silent final approach.
 

AeroFranz

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
May 4, 2008
Messages
2,258
Reaction score
158
I can't recall the name of the program, but i remember something of the sort being proposed in a SBIR by one of the military branches or by DARPA, some two-three years ago. Just like what eventually became the K-max Burro, it was another way of keeping personnel out of harm's way (IEDs) and resupply bases.
 

shedofdread

ACCESS: Secret
Joined
Nov 14, 2009
Messages
449
Reaction score
76
The problem with gliders for re-supply is the amount of space they need to land. Inevitably, this means going outside the FOB to get the cargo and that is a Thing You Don't Want To Do... For example, if a DH3 landed outside, it was 'disposed of' by machine gun fire.
 

Apophenia

ACCESS: Top Secret
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2007
Messages
2,582
Reaction score
880
cluttonfred said:
... The powered parachute version is perfect for short-range operation from a forward base, ...

But the CQ-10A SnowGoose can also be air-dropped ... making it a long-range logistics delivery system as well.

"Air Launch Capability: The SnowGoose UAV can be air launched from suitable cargo aircraft (C130 C17) at altitudes up to 25 000 ft MSL."
http://www.mmist.ca/pg_ProductsSnowGooseOverview.php
 
Top