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The Rafale has always struck me as being prettier and more elegant than Typhoon. It has all the hallmarks of a Dassault classic.
But looks are not everything.
Which would you pick?
 
Rafale max (presumably sea level) ITR from “Rafale Marine” Max STR “Pilots de Rafale”

MMRCA, said to be 60% internal fuel six AAM

Rafale better ITR, nose pointing, slow speed performance

Eurofighter slightly better STR, thrust to weight, supersonic and probably transonic performance.
 

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Apparently these are the non classified requirements for the Typhoon. The ITR is before the application of the AoA limit which reduces it around 15% but the Sustained Turn Rate is what’s remarkable.
 

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Apparently these are the non classified requirements for the Typhoon. The ITR is before the application of the AoA limit which reduces it around 15% but the Sustained Turn Rate is what’s remarkable.

Would call it declassified, rather than non-classified. As the head of the page states it's the ESR-D (European Staff Requirement for Development). The ESR-D was the quadrinational requirement issued in September 1987. It was written into the Weapon System Design and Performance Specification (WSDPS) which became the contractual baseline against which industry was obliged to deliver under the Main Development Contract (MDC) signed on 23rd November 1988. A revised ESR was issued on 21st January 1994 and the WSDPS updated accordingly. The actual aircraft should have been compliant with the WSDPS by the end of MDC, which was meant to be achieved with the penultimate Tranche 1 design build standard Block 5.
 
A revised ESR was issued on 21st January 1994 and the WSDPS updated accordingly. The actual aircraft should have been compliant with the WSDPS by the end of MDC, which was meant to be achieved with the penultimate Tranche 1 design build standard Block 5.
Any idea what was changed in the revised ESR from 1994?
 
Any idea what was changed in the revised ESR from 1994?

Sorry for the late reply. I have no exact view of all changes, or when they occured (some were already introduced around 1990, others followed later).

From what I have gathered and I'm not entirely sure on the correctness of all of them:
- Reduction of scatter factor for the fatigue spectrum from 5 to 3
- Ultimate structural load factor from 1.5 times the operational design load limit to 1.4
- Reduction of weight and space budget for national fit items and DASS (incl. deletion of fin tip mounted 3rd DASS pod)
- Deletion of maintenance datalink requirement
- Deletion of IR signature reduction measures for EJ200
- Relaxion of nuclear hardening requirements
- Reduction of the use of fibre optical data busses (use of standard STANAG 3838/MIL STD 1553 instead)
- Reduction in radar specifications (it has been suggested that the number of simultaneous tracks was reduced, but had no real effect as radar was already too advanced, possibly also with hintsight of Germany using another solution in shape of APG-65)
- Deletion of AG requirements for Germany incl. abandonement of plans to integrate AGM-65B Maverick and AGM-88 HARM in use on German F-4F and Tornados)

The list is not necessarily complete as outlined above.
 
I’m actually curious if the engine upgrade closes the thrust to weight gap? M88-3 combined with the Rafale’s lighter weight, I’m curious to find out.
 
I’m actually curious if the engine upgrade closes the thrust to weight gap? M88-3 combined with the Rafale’s lighter weight, I’m curious to find out.

Will certainly depend on the overall weight growth of both aircraft that has occured over the time, the actual thrust kncrease, not only static, but also dynamic and whether LTE will add uprated engines as well.
 

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