Turkish TFX National Combat Aircraft

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^ if Pakistan is on-board I guess their interest in acquiring the FC-31 or J-20 (if either is even offered for export), has gone down
 

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^ if Pakistan is on-board I guess their interest in acquiring the FC-31 or J-20 (if either is even offered for export), has gone down

Pakistan may still be interested in those chinese aircrafts, I don't think this dilutes those options. What I believe this indicates is that Pakistan may have shelved it's own fifth gen aircraft programme in favour of collaborating on TFX which has a better chance of becoming a reality.
 

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With Pakistan involvement would that cause issues with western support, as Pakistan is essentially a vessel state to China?
 

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Pakistan may still be interested in those chinese aircrafts, I don't think this dilutes those options. What I believe this indicates is that Pakistan may have shelved it's own fifth gen aircraft programme in favour of collaborating on TFX which has a better chance of becoming a reality.

A lot of people expressing interest in TFX, I guess it's a kind of an endorsement. Turkey, then, despite of economics woes (volatility of Turkish lira, etc.) does have choices in partners but on the other hand it is worrisome if different entities can just jump in (or out) on a whim.

Speaks to opportunism at the cost of strategic thought, an odd mix in such a long term and sensitive project. Pakistan's leadership seems to be a bit all over the place these days trying to hedge its bets; its many allegiances indeed come with high potential for compromise and chaos. Whether that can be withstood or in any way planned for is questionable - at this stage future export options should perhaps be a thing apart from ensuring that the project comes to fruition at all.

Given Russia's re-invasion of Ukraine and the instability stemming from that and the ostensible Ukrainian participation in TFX, Ukrainians might appreciate the possibility to migrate an even larger portion of their R&D, even production, on Turkish soil for the time being. Such an approach could garner a wider appreciation for its contribution to increased regional and geopolitical resilience than just mutual support between these two countries.

It's a complicated environment for sure, especially if Turkey is weighing sovereign capability against proposals of investment in terms of development speed.
 

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prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR: "We have an alternative engine option for the National Combat Aircraft. Also, we had the possibility of working with Rolls-Royce company for the national engine. We had some concerns here, we resolved these concerns. The work has begun."

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1500013599963725824?s=20&t=w1odjbsYqS_2D-SukxM2yQ


Rolls-Royce/KALE Engine back on the Table.
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It will be good news if Rolls-Royce gets picked for the engine contract for the TFX National Combat Aircraft.
 

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It will be good news if Rolls-Royce gets picked for the engine contract for the TFX National Combat Aircraft.
Their(the Brits) biggest concern I've heard was the Qatari involvement in TR Motors in form of BMC, which is apparently gone now. Though the problem of Turkish owned IP is another question still, which for it to realize, Turkey would have to develop those on their own, with or without British support.
 

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prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR: "We have an alternative engine option for the National Combat Aircraft. Also, we had the possibility of working with Rolls-Royce company for the national engine. We had some concerns here, we resolved these concerns. The work has begun."

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1500013599963725824?s=20&t=w1odjbsYqS_2D-SukxM2yQ


Rolls-Royce/KALE Engine back on the Table.
View attachment 675130

It will be good news if Rolls-Royce gets picked for the engine contract for the TFX National Combat Aircraft.

So there will be three engines; note Turkey is not giving up local development, Rolls-Royce/KALE would be developing an alternative engine for TFX.

GENERAL ELECTRIC - F110

Development of Prototypes
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ROLLS ROYCE & KALE
TAEC

Alternative Engine Development
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TR MOTOR

Local Development
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- To add, KALE have production experience with Pratt & Whitney engines

"At Kale Pratt & Whitney we manufacture Shroud, Heat Shield, Flap, Seal, Bracket Cone Assy and Ring for F135, which is the engine of 5th generation fighter aircraft F-35 Lightning II. We are also actively manufacturing parts for F100 engine family, which is used in F-15 and F-16 fighter aircrafts"


- and some design and development experience in turbojet engines for missiles.
KTJ-3200 equivalent to French Safran TR40 turbo jet engine
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prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR: "We have an alternative engine option for the National Combat Aircraft. Also, we had the possibility of working with Rolls-Royce company for the national engine. We had some concerns here, we resolved these concerns. The work has begun."

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1500013599963725824?s=20&t=w1odjbsYqS_2D-SukxM2yQ


Rolls-Royce/KALE Engine back on the Table.
View attachment 675130

That picture of RR & KALE representatives is from 2017 and I have never heard RR of agreeing with sharing turbofan engine IP with Turkey (and RR can't share Eurojet IP anyway as the project IP is shared between European companies & countries). I am skeptical, but then again Demir has reportedly managed to obtain an approval for GE F404 from the US, so he may be right.
 

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Why do TFX have both IRST and EOTS?
Why not? I mean, Checkmate also has both. Su-57 to some extent does too.
EOTS - for lower hemisphere and land-based targets. IRST - upper hemisphere and a2a targets. Lookup capability of EOTS is limited by radome, so it makes sense.

It will be better equipped than the F-22 for air to air and air to ground tracking without having the radar on all the time.
 

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Now I know this is a TF-X related page but holy cow. Definitely a lookalike. Do any of you guys think that MIUS might end up featuring both identical characteristics and instruments? That would actually make the two more intertwined with one another right? Imagine testing some critical systems on the MIUS first, before making the eventual integration. Take the EOTS as an example. Both the TF-X and MIUS will feature it. Cost efficiency no?
 

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- "The design of almost all parts of the prototype National Combat Aircraft is finished."
- "25 million lines of code is written for the software that will work on the ground test prototype TFX."
 

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MMU Structural Engineering Director Eyüp Yiğit:

We are doing 2 studies for the 5+ generation MMU in the medium term:
1) Tandem Seat TFX. The second pilot will be able to direct the drones around him.
2) In its next step, the load on the pilot will be further reduced by using artificial intelligence.
 
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prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR: "We have an alternative engine option for the National Combat Aircraft. Also, we had the possibility of working with Rolls-Royce company for the national engine. We had some concerns here, we resolved these concerns. The work has begun."

View: https://twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1500013599963725824?s=20&t=w1odjbsYqS_2D-SukxM2yQ


Rolls-Royce/KALE Engine back on the Table.
View attachment 675130

It will be good news if Rolls-Royce gets picked for the engine contract for the TFX National Combat Aircraft.

So there will be three engines; note Turkey is not giving up local development, Rolls-Royce/KALE would be developing an alternative engine for TFX.

GENERAL ELECTRIC - F110

Development of Prototypes
ROLLS ROYCE & KALE
TAEC

Alternative Engine Development
TR MOTOR

Local Development

- To add, KALE have production experience with Pratt & Whitney engines

"At Kale Pratt & Whitney we manufacture Shroud, Heat Shield, Flap, Seal, Bracket Cone Assy and Ring for F135, which is the engine of 5th generation fighter aircraft F-35 Lightning II. We are also actively manufacturing parts for F100 engine family, which is used in F-15 and F-16 fighter aircrafts"


- and some design and development experience in turbojet engines for missiles.
KTJ-3200 equivalent to French Safran TR40 turbo jet engine
View attachment 675250
It doesn't make sense why you are wasting your resources in developing two engines of same class.

You guys already have JV with GE why don't you collaborate with them.
 

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