"The Phenomenon - 1988": I want to know the answer (accident, laser, UFO?)

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Why am I writing this in a bar? The topic is complex, unusual. Non-standard.

The first question. Can the laser source of the fiber optic cable in 1988, as a result of an accident, throw a powerful laser beam? Can lasers for optical fiber be powerful, thermal beams? Is an optical fiber laser theoretically able to heat steam at an altitude of 100 meters?

The second question. What substance is produced when a powerful thermal laser comes into contact with chemical reagents of water vapor? If the color of the final substance is blue, what is it? Can it be chlorine? What is the probable diameter of the final substance, what form?

Third question. Can a laser with the technology of 1988 form a shock wave in the sky? From what angle of expansion? In diameter, or in one direction? If the diameter of the substance is 50 meters, what is the probable wavelength? People observed in 1988: 45-50 kilometers. But in one direction, to the north-east.

The fourth question. The substance can settle on the ground like snow? Can it glow with a blue light? This is August, the substance is like snow.

Fifth question. If not a laser, then WHAT? The region is located in the zone of moderate seismic activity. Before earthquakes, moving luminous objects appear in the sky. Aborigines worship dragons in the mountains of these places. They tell me: Heavenly Man - Bubble, a spirit of cataclysms. National Sacred Legend. Wandering glowing electromagnetic field, or WHAT?

The first word of our forum is a SECRET, a mystery. We have many unique specialists. Who will help unravel my secret and complex puzzle?

You will tell me: write to the forum of anomalies. I do not want, on forums of anomalies continuous psychopaths and trollers. I want to get an adequate analysis of technical specialists.
 
Re: Strange secret questions: I want to know the answer.

No to all of the above. The lasers used in fiberoptic telecoms are in the range of milliwatts of optical power output. They can't cause any of the effects you're asking about.
 
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Well actually not all fiber lasers are used in communication. IPG Photonics makes fiber laser based cutting tools. Those lasers are generally limited to 1 to 2 Kilowatts per fiber. After that, thermal effects distort the glass. Lockheed's fiber based HEL system may have gotten above this limit but I don't know by how much. They bundle many fibers together and combine them via inverse spectral dispersion (ie, going through a grating backwards).

As for the "blue" color, sunlight preferentially scatters blue in the atmosphere but you seem to tie the color to a "thermal" (infrared?) laser. That isn't scattering since wavelength is preserved. I have no idea what would do something like that.
 
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Earthquake lights are a natural phenomenon (plenty of videos on YouTube)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/01/140106-earthquake-lights-earthquake-prediction-geology-science/

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-do-lights-sometimes-appear-in-the-sky-during-an-earthquake-180948077/?utm_campaign=01022014&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=surprisingscienceearthquakelights

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light

The most recent model suggests that the generation of earthquake lights involves the ionization of oxygen to oxygen anions by breaking of peroxy bonds in some types of rocks by the high stress before and during an earthquake. After the ionisation, the ions travel up through the cracks in the rocks. Once they reach the atmosphere these ions can ionise pockets of air, forming plasma that emits light.
 
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fredymac said:
Well actually not all fiber lasers are used in communication. IPG Photonics makes fiber laser based cutting tools. Those lasers are generally limited to 1 to 2 Kilowatts per fiber. After that, thermal effects distort the glass. Lockheed's fiber based HEL system may have gotten above this limit but I don't know by how much. They bundle many fibers together and combine them via inverse spectral dispersion (ie, going through a grating backwards).
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He specifically asked about fiber optic cables. That means telecoms.

The original requester is not revealing the context of his request, which is IMO not a sign of a serious investigator but rather a conspiracy theorist. Nevertheless, it's obvious where he's headed -- a broken fiber optic cable somehow caused large scale physical effects over dozens of kilometer. That's just not possible. Even modern high-energy laser weapons can't do that, and communications fiber from 30 years ago certainly could not.
 
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Thank you very much for the qualified answers, for professional understanding, and most importantly - for reading! I love you all.

Mat Parry-----The most recent model suggests that the generation of earthquake lights involves the ionization of oxygen to oxygen anions by breaking of peroxy bonds in some types of rocks by the high stress before and during an earthquake. After the ionisation, the ions travel up through the cracks in the rocks. !!!!Once they reach the atmosphere these ions can ionise pockets of air, forming plasma that emits light.!!!!-----

O! People in our area see these moving objects at night. They look like an inverted, throbbing gas burner. A lamp under the lampshade in the night sky. I saw this in 2005 (two objects-gas burners under the lampshade), 2011 (glowing "rice" in the night sky). They make fast maneuvers and are recharged from each other. In the mountains in 1990-2012, people watched huge fiery spheres.

In our region, scientific research is modest. The regional geographic society also observed flying objects in 2005. But they can not be investigated in flight, they quickly appear and fly away. The nature of our flying luminous objects is unknown. Therefore, I suggested: a seismic, tectonic connection between the earth and the sky. Another variant? He is popular with us in the Far East. I'm against it. Gods from another dimension. No, it's like a strange connection between the depths of the mountains and the atmosphere, but what's the connection?

fredymac-----Well actually not all fiber lasers are used in communication. IPG Photonics makes fiber laser based cutting tools. Those lasers are generally limited to 1 to 2 Kilowatts per fiber. After that, thermal effects distort the glass. Lockheed's fiber based HEL system may have gotten above this limit but I don't know by how much. They bundle many fibers together and combine them via inverse spectral dispersion (ie, going through a grating backwards).

!!!As for the "blue" color, sunlight preferentially scatters blue in the atmosphere but you seem to tie the color to a "thermal" (infrared?) laser. That isn't scattering since wavelength is preserved. I have no idea what would do something like that.!!!-----

It was in August 1988 over a small Russian Far Eastern city. Witnesses: I, workers of the thermal power plant, fishermen on the lake near the plant. I was 16. I call this something: Phenomenon - 1988. I asked you my questions about its characteristics. I do not know the world analogues of this phenomenon.

Visually: the plant's smoke trail was puffed up by a giant bubble and exploded without sound, without heat, without smell. Before that, against the background of smoke at a height of 100 meters, a scarlet point appeared, from the point a "supernova" in halo had grown. "Star" gave birth to a swirling torus, the torus gave birth to a giant blue bubble. This bubble burst. The night sky was blue for two hours.

In 1988-2001 I thought: chemical phosphorescence. But in 2001 in Komsomolsk city woman told me. In August 1988 she was sitting on the balcony, and saw a gigantic blue wave in the sky. This heavenly wave came from the south. Yes, from the side of the small town where the 1988 Phenomenon took place.

Workers of the thermal power plant told me: that night of August 1988 they saw a blue substance in the northern district of a small town. Does this mean that the substance has descended from the sky? I thought about chlorine. But there was no smell.

The next moment is very strange. The scarlet point and the "star" appeared inside the smoke. This means: an external influence on the smoke. But where is the source? A spontaneous reaction in the smoke? Can it be? It's also an interesting question. I've never seen this. Perhaps a spontaneous reaction. But: a blue wave in the sky 45-50 kilometers long from a spontaneous reaction? !! Between cities the distance is 45-50 km. This is not a spontaneous reaction.

What could ignite a star and inflate a bubble? My second version: a natural flying object, a tectonic UFO. Also a spontaneous impact. This explains the giant blue wave. The flying object arises suddenly, in place. Yes, but it flies! And this phenomenon did not fly! This fact interferes with the tectonic plasma version.

Why did I ask about a laser? Scarlet point, in the style of a laser pointer. And a real point effect. But where in a small working city laser? In 2010 my first thought was: space, orbit. I do not exclude this idea, it's 1988! Accidental hit in a random object. A source? I do not know, and no one now knows. And again BUT: the laser beam is scattered in the atmosphere, even instantaneous exposure is impossible! "Excalibur" or "Star of Zenith" - a bluff, scenery. Perhaps I do not know the details.

TomS-----He specifically asked about fiber optic cables. That means telecoms.

The original requester is not revealing the context of his request, which is IMO not a sign of a serious investigator but rather a conspiracy theorist. Nevertheless, it's obvious where he's headed -- a broken fiber optic cable somehow caused large scale physical effects over dozens of kilometer. That's just not possible. Even modern high-energy laser weapons can't do that, and communications fiber from 30 years ago certainly could not. -----

Why did I ask about the fiber optic cable and its laser? The phenomenon - 1988 occurred over a paper mill. The plant in 1995 went bankrupt, since 2000 it is in an abandoned state, collapsing. In 2010, our "diggers" - industrial archeologists - found inside this factory a powerful fiber-optic cable of the Soviet era. The documents are not preserved. "Diggers" do not know why this cable. Maybe a communication line? And again I thought: the final variant. Failure when installing and testing optical fiber? This is the far province of Russia, the level of specialists, the latest equipment. It's funny, but - hypothetically: can it be? Accidental failure of the laser installation, the beam instantly hits the smoke in height, spontaneous reaction, factory fumes inflate and explode, blue substance, shock wave 45-50 km. It can be at the level of Soviet technology?

I often remember this Phenomenon. From this Phenomenon, I started at school to study the history of technology, the history of astronautics, the newest history of Russia. He really influenced me. I wrote about him in the region in the official press, six large articles with illustrations. I published three articles in this small town. In the West and Central Russia about the Phenomen - 1988 nobody knows. In 2011, a man at a major forum in Moscow also remembered: he also saw this phenomenon in August 1988 over the Khabarovsk Territory. But where? He did not say.

Very, very strange and mysterious story. It's like a technical phenomenon. But which one?

Pavel. 3.05. 2017. 22.00 my time
 
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A! I forgot one detail. A heavenly wave came from a small town in the direction of the city of Komsomolsk. On North. The blue substance also settled on the ground in the north of a small town. I saw this phenomenon from the central part of a small town. I did not see a blue substance on the ground, because street lights were shining. This means: the celestial wave was not concentric, it went in one direction, to the north. But it does not happen!

And if this bubble does not burst, but shrinks and throws blue substance to the north?

It is like a giant water "enema" consisting of water vapor. But where is the blue substance? What is it? What is the chemical element?

The main question of this moment: what did the water "enema" orientate, a water bubble to the north of a small city? WHAT?.....

And I'm not a supporter of the idiotic "conspiracy theory". I'm curious: what did I see? What did we see? What did the people in Komsomolsk see?
 
Are there Russian sources available ?
 
About this "Phenomenon - 1988"? Other authors - researchers? No. I saw him by accident. In 2001 I called the thermal power plant and asked the workers, in 2001 I gave lectures in Komsomolsk, people came to me, they told me. In 2003, I published the first article on this phenomenon in the district newspaper. In 2008 - 2012 I published three large articles in authoritative official regional newspapers, and in 2014 I published two articles again in the district newspaper. Six of my articles in the official Russian Far Eastern press. They are in my electronic archive, scanned in jpg.

The second witness published his observation of a similar phenomenon on the Russian site. He saw his phenomenon also in 1988, also in August, also in the Khabarovsk Territory. But where? He did not write. My phenomenon is "The Phenomenon of 1988". He writes the same. But if the city is different? I'm talking about this.

I can send my article, but I do not know you. In my publications, my real name and surname.

О! I wanted now to find in the network a guy who wrote about his phenomenon, and I found this.

Three new certificates of Khabarovsk krai residents. Far East Forum of Fishermen and Travelers "Amur's Coast". In the interval 1986-88 people observed giant spheres in the sky, bubbles, arcs. Version: random explosions, major accidents. But this was observed in the west of the village of Bogorodskoye, the right bank of the Amur River, and the Jewish Autonomous Region. Absolutely not my phenomenon. Also interesting: the distance between these places is 400-500 km! What explosion, what accident ?! It's like a tectonic natural phenomenon, I wrote about it here.

http://amur-bereg.ru/threads/zagadochnye-sluchai-i-neobjasnimye-javlenija-iz-zhizni.9316/#post-334266

http://amur-bereg.ru/threads/zagadochnye-sluchai-i-neobjasnimye-javlenija-iz-zhizni.9316/page-3

http://amur-bereg.ru/threads/zagadochnye-sluchai-i-neobjasnimye-javlenija-iz-zhizni.9316/page-4

http://amur-bereg.ru/threads/zagadochnye-sluchai-i-neobjasnimye-javlenija-iz-zhizni.9316/page-5

Another witness is here, but the second site does not open. Also August 1988, but what place? Nobody writes about the place.

www.vseneprostotak.ru/.../v-nebe-nad-shanhaem-poyavilsya-gigantskiy-svetyashhiys..

Here they do not talk about the celestial blue wave, about the scarlet point of the "supernova" star. These people saw another phenomenon. Perhaps similar, but different. I saw the epicenter of my phenomenon, my house was in front of the plant.

A lawyer from Komsomolsk told me in 2001: he saw a similar phenomenon in August 1988 in the Tatar Strait off the coast of Sakhalin Island. He sailed in a kayak. The shores of Sakhalin Island are Pulp and paper industry. And my phenomenon was over a Pulp and paper industry! But in the smoke. Maybe an experiment? I dont know.
 
Apologies for the Conspiracy theory comment. Your initial presentation sounded very much like the sort of description I'm used to seeing from such people.

I appreciate the additional information, but all I can say is that there is no way a telecommunications fiber cable was responsible for what you saw. I would assume it was some sort of industrial accident at the mill that sent something unusual up the stack. Unusual atmospheric conditions can cause all sorts of odd and hard to reproduce effects.
 
Tom, thanks. The mill is a machine translation error. I see now. I corrected the error. No. Pulp and paper industry. A huge factory. The production in 1988 was based on acid. Yes, my first thought is chemical luminescence. But! The phenomenon occurred at an altitude of 100-150 meters, in smoke. I described it. It is very similar to a laser beam or the materialization of a fiery object. But the sky wave is 50 km long! And this is the blue glow of the night sky, a blue substance.

Good night, West! I have a night. Far East.
 
Maybe the explanation is more mundane.

This sounds to me more like an accidental dust explosion. A sudden electrostatic discharge inside the smoke cloud coming out of the industrial plant, may have ignited fine particles suspended in the air. Due to the chemicals involved in the paper production, these particles may have burnt with a blue flame, and some of them may have later fallen to the ground, without burning.
This may also explain the fact that the blue wave tralleved in a single direction and not everywhere in the sky (presumably following the smoke coming out of the plant).

Interesting none the less, thanks for sharing your experience.
 
pavel said:
Why am I writing this in a bar? The topic is complex, unusual. Non-standard.

The first question. Can the laser source of the fiber optic cable in 1988, as a result of an accident, throw a powerful laser beam? Can lasers for optical fiber be powerful, thermal beams? Is an optical fiber laser theoretically able to heat steam at an altitude of 100 meters?
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Maybe posting a simple witness drawing of any of those phenomena observed in 1988, would have been more helpful as a starting point.

A.
 
antigravite said:
Maybe posting a simple witness drawing of any of those phenomena observed in 1988, would have been more helpful as a starting point.

A.
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Better yet: a video of the event. Because relying on eye witness accounts, or even your own memory, is the fast route to getting it *entirely* wrong. Not a single detail related so far couldn't have been greatly exaggerated or simply invented.
 
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