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There's a story about an AI that was tasked with landing a plane with the minimum force on a simulator. It nose-dived the plane into the ground and the resulting force was so large that it overflowed the register in the computer where the force value was stored causing it to default to a zero. The AI felt this was a success.

Skynet gonna proud of her boi.
 

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There's a story about an AI that was tasked with landing a plane with the minimum force on a simulator. It nose-dived the plane into the ground and the resulting force was so large that it overflowed the register in the computer where the force value was stored causing it to default to a zero. The AI felt this was a success.

Skynet gonna proud of her boi.
Yeah we built Skynet....
Reminds me of something I say at work, when say things like "oh for God's sake" about something (usually related to the management)
"You do realise we work for the other side"
 

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There's a story about an AI that was tasked with landing a plane with the minimum force on a simulator. It nose-dived the plane into the ground and the resulting force was so large that it overflowed the register in the computer where the force value was stored causing it to default to a zero. The AI felt this was a success.

Skynet gonna proud of her boi.
Yeah we built Skynet....
Reminds me of something I say at work, when say things like "oh for God's sake" about something (usually related to the management)
"You do realise we work for the other side"
Flowers are good for all sides of the world .
 

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There's a story about an AI that was tasked with landing a plane with the minimum force on a simulator. It nose-dived the plane into the ground and the resulting force was so large that it overflowed the register in the computer where the force value was stored causing it to default to a zero. The AI felt this was a success.
Thats almost kobayashi maru levels of deviousness...
 

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Production of the RAF's new unmanned high-speed combat drone is set to begin in Northern Ireland in a £30million project.

Nicknamed the 'loyal wingman', the aircraft will be designed to fly alongside fighter jets, armed with surveillance and electronic warfare technology to provide a battle-winning advantage over hostile forces.
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Is it me or Tempest is by far the most clouded by buzzwords and bragging desighn out of all modern aircrafts? "It has mind-blowing radar!" when work on radar isn' even properly begun. "Production of Loyal Wingman is set to start!" when only 30 mil invested into draft project noone knows what (if anything) will come from. And so much more...
 

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I get the feeling every project around has buzz words to attract attention and button clicks/funding. Why should this be any different?
 

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All of them got buzzwords and stuff. But I don't think any got THAT MUCH of them at so incredibly early stages (not even a proper design work started, and it's already "world beating" and "wars winning")
 

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Notice that the 30 millions is for launching production and not for launching R&D only.
Notice also the original aspect of the design with its positive dihedral and anhedral at the wing tips.
 

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Is it me or Tempest is by far the most clouded by buzzwords and bragging desighn out of all modern aircrafts? "It has mind-blowing radar!" when work on radar isn' even properly begun. "Production of Loyal Wingman is set to start!" when only 30 mil invested into draft project noone knows what (if anything) will come from. And so much more...
Lots of the Tempest push is around increased interest in STEM and engineering careers amongst young people. The press releases aren't necessarily aimed at the members of this forum.

At the same time two related things have got conflated. Tempest the technology development activity over the next 5-6 years which is doing things like engine demonstrator and flying testbed with new sensors being prototyped. And Tempest the combat air acquisition programme set up to procure a future combat air system.
 

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Is it me or Tempest is by far the most clouded by buzzwords and bragging desighn out of all modern aircrafts? "It has mind-blowing radar!" when work on radar isn' even properly begun. "Production of Loyal Wingman is set to start!" when only 30 mil invested into draft project noone knows what (if anything) will come from. And so much more...
This current government attaches this kind of hot air to anything technological even vaccines where it’s particularly inappropriate in my view.
 

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Especially with the current extraction being completed, there are certain tactics the government will use to be more positive regarding the UK and our policies/development so the buzz words will be earlier than perhaps other projects.
 

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Someone should open a thread for team Mosquito
There is, here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/uk-mod-project-lanca-raf-loyal-wingman.30656/

The Daily Mail is not an aviation journal, everything they write is hyperbole and hubris.

The £30 million is not for production, its for a full-scale flying prototype to fly in 2023 to prove the LANCA concept. (Let's hope they don't bugger it up and crash the bloody thing).
If it works and pleases the MoD and RAF, then I suspect we will either see an operational version ready for the late 2027-2030 timeframe to work with F-35 until Tempest arrives in 2035. Of course they might open up a new tender but that's probably unlikely if they want to keep Warton and Belfast open and two teams is better than one.

I find the reuse of WW2 names a little wearing, they are becoming brands and can be incongruous - note the Avenger is currently a humble King Air 350... and why do we call our Texan IIs Texans when Canada calls theirs Harvards?
 

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@Hood : I share your opinion with name being re-used. That's really boring indeed.

Regarding the amount dedicated for "production", I wanted only to oppose that to an R&D program as too often in neighboring countries understood for money paid in advance for a bunch guys to accepts seating around a table and start discussing a problem.

The financial aspect is part of the fight more even today and matters to the utmost.
 

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And more of the same from the 'horse's mouth'...
 

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Good to see Short's pulling through, even if under new ownership. I don't suppose BAE would let Spirit call it the Spitfire, I can't help wondering if they will call it the Aedes.
 

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I bet they don't re-use Spitfire. Or have I just started another conspiracy theory.

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Chris

Same here Chris, naming the Aedes after the Spitfire would just be too obvious, after all they have used the Typhoon and Tempest names again.

Wasn't the reason for using 'Typhoon' is that it's basically the same word in all the languages of the Eurofighter consortium? Typhoon/Taifun/Tifone? I believe the original word is from Asia . . .
Also, 'Tornado' . . . isn't it originally Spanish?
'Tempest' just follows the sequence . . .


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The Tornado was meant to be Panther (Panavia Panther - snazzy) but the partners couldn't agree so it became Tornado.
Tornado - Typhoon - Tempest = Hawker's ultimate piston prop series exactly in sequence. Is this coincidence? Perhaps, perhaps not. Its hard to believe that some wag didn't see the link when they chose the name for Tempest.

Renaming the LANCA work as Project Mosquito is less ambiguous, recalls a jack of all trades and creates a Tempest/Mosquito duet.

When they get to recycling names like Bagshot, Hyena, Vivid and Vincent then we can have some real fun.
I don't think anyone would dare bring back Spitfire or Lancaster, Spitfire is too iconic and place names have long been off the MoD naming list.
 

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They could have made a poll and ended up calling it "floaty Mc'airhead" or some such.
 

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Without wishing to stray too far OT, are the rights to the Beardmore name available? The 'Inflexible' really should be brought back. Aaaand bringing it back on topic, it would be a great name for something resulting from the current DSTL call relating to composite structures. (Phew! Shoehorned that one in at the last moment... ;) )
 

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